Mongrel Lofts
518 posts
Feb 09, 2008
11:01 PM
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I wonder how many of you have ever entered a competition in rollers or any other sport. Where if you don't do well, you just decide to compete another time? Can you still call this type of event a competition? I think some have fun and competition mixed up! Would you call any event run in this manor competition? Just wondering. Where I come from, competition means you are on the record, win or lose your competing. You can't say oh wait, I'm not playing good today. Call the game off and come back next month when I might do better! That's not competition in my opinion. Is it to you? KGB
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SiDLoVE
179 posts
Feb 09, 2008
11:21 PM
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KGB ...when i first started comp... i got around 15 pairs of breeders and the guys kits to fly at the mean time... 2 month later i flew W/C comp and ever since then i have not missed 1 comp fly for 6 years. I never say am not ready....when your not ready and still fly you still learn from it all and prepare for the next one .Gotta dip in and get the feel of it and itll motivate you to work on it even more.. good luck ...
sidLOVe*
Last Edited by on Feb 09, 2008 11:22 PM
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elopez
460 posts
Feb 09, 2008
11:31 PM
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good post Sid. I agree with you 100% got to compete to get better!
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smoke747
801 posts
Feb 10, 2008
12:33 AM
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I compete to try and do well always. Some times it does not work out like that but I still compete. If you were an athelete and your top players were hurt you would have to go out an do the best with what you have. The same for the birds.
smoke747
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maxspin
179 posts
Feb 10, 2008
6:44 AM
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KGB,
I am having trouble following your statement.
For both the WC and the Fall Fly there is a date set for the Regional fly off. You either fly at your appointed time or you don't.
Are you suggesting that your Region is different?
Keith
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csra president
14 posts
Feb 10, 2008
8:29 AM
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me myself would fly if im ready or not so it will give are region a chance 2 qualify more people and they cant say u only fly when your birds are on. but (if u stay ready u dont have 2 get ready) csra 4 life
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katyroller
121 posts
Feb 10, 2008
3:38 PM
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Never heard of any competitions where you can pull your kit because they aren't performing well. Where are you seeing flys like that?
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2182 posts
Feb 10, 2008
6:43 PM
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Why can't there be an invitational, where only the top competitors are invited to compete? Then you don't have a problem with those who won't do well or think they won't do well, choosing not to compete. Just an idea in response to KGB's post.
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George R.
137 posts
Feb 10, 2008
7:59 PM
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Tony
We thought about making the L.V. Roller challenge by Invitational only ,but then we thought we would be giving all those that didnt get a Invite a excuse not to enter.
Now there is no excuse the Fly is open to anyone that wants to join.
Anybody that enters has a chance to WIN . The only ones that dont have a chance to WIN are those that dont enter.
You got to be in it to WIN it !!!!
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Mongrel Lofts
519 posts
Feb 10, 2008
8:48 PM
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Maxspin,
You came closer to understanding my point than anyone else. No, this does not have to do with the WC or NBRC they are flown like competition's..Well, yea I guess they do tye in a little! LOL You get a date and time, when the judge show's up you fly! If you do good or bad it counts and is recorded.. I have heard of some local clubs that have fly's they call competitions, they schedule a fly and after flying, if the kit's do not do good. They say well, I don't want to count that fly. Lets just not count that lousy score and we will fly another day. That's not competition to me! That is a funky confused fly and should never be confused with competition. I know many will say, you take this too serious, its all about fun. OK, Why in the heck do you call it competition then? If you have no intention of following the rules or counting your score unless the birds do good? Why would you get together and pretend like your competing? Local, National or world cup, competition is competition in my opinion. I guess I just get confused when guys fly in competition then don't follow the rules.
Here is another one for you. There are many out there that think you should score anything that rolls! No matter how bad the style or slow the rotation.. They say give them a 1.0 and score them! They argue the rules don't state you shouldn't score them. I think they do! They say a judge shall not score any roller that does not meet his standard! This competition is for rollers not tumblers! Now if your standard for rollers is slow, sloppy, bad style wing switchers, then I guess you would score anything that rolls and there is no rule against it. If this type of roller meets your standard, Please don't come to Idaho to judge! LOL Most roller judges and flyers have higher standards than this.. Remember, a judge should not score a roller that does not meet his standard! What is your standard of scorable?? Just something to think about. KGB
Last Edited by on Feb 10, 2008 8:49 PM
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wafer kits
74 posts
Feb 10, 2008
10:00 PM
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Thinking here about Tony's suggestion (re) having an invitational where only the top fliers compete. This would not hurt my feelings at all except I think they need the pesos from all us poor little peons to support the operation......if not......go to it! Al
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nicksiders
2570 posts
Feb 10, 2008
10:13 PM
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Those clubs that follow that kind of activity you described is probably not long before collapse and it will be another club people will be asking what happened to it. Do not commit to competition if it ain't going to be just that.
Nick
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quickspin
340 posts
Feb 10, 2008
10:16 PM
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When you compete you want to always be ready and to be competitve. Sometimes you don't win but you always have fun and you learn more. You can make your self be better and to work harder by trying to win. Always thinking about the next key that will make you better. You learn from the mistakes that you and others make not to make them again. You feel good about your self when helping others be as good as you and making them go to the right direction.
I have not compete in Rollers but in Db Drag Racing that's Sound Pressure Level. When I compete I always wanted to be louder than the next person so I work harder. I did very good I lost only once the whole year and got second place then for world finals I took 5th place because of a argument with the judge so he DQ me. Even though I took out the guy that won 1st place. Everyone knew who really won and that was the best and worst feeling you get. LOL The next year I gave my competition Van to my friend and he took 1st place in the world.
Right now I'm not competing in DB Drag so I don't work on it like I use too.
Competition brings out the best of you.
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SALAS LOFT
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2184 posts
Feb 11, 2008
5:09 AM
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Hey Kenny, sounds to me like you are describing "organized" sports where you have a schedule and show up to play, regardless of ability to win.
Is that competition? Yes, it is.
The other approach is sort of a "battle of the bands", where you have a musical group and if you think you have your chops to compete well, then you enter.
Is that competition? Yes, it is.
Between these 2 formats, The World Cup and Fall Fly seem to be a "battle of the bands" approach. If you think you are ready to compete, then you enter.
Whereas, the "organized league" seems more along the lines of what local clubs might do: total wins/points over a season, if you don't fly, you can't score, etc...
Is there a place for both? I think so. Are either just as valid? Yes, certainly.
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Last Edited by on Feb 11, 2008 5:09 AM
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Mongrel Lofts
521 posts
Feb 11, 2008
8:59 AM
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Whereas, the "organized league" seems more along the lines of what local clubs might do: total wins/points over a season, if you don't fly, you can't score, etc...
Is there a place for both? I think so. Are either just as valid? Yes, certainly.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Hi Guest,
I mean Tony. LOL Exactly! NOw what about either of those two flys or type's of competition. You show up, you compete. Your birds don't do any good so you just tell the guys,, well the birds didn't look good today. You may have a better fly than me if we count that score.. SO I don't want to count that score, I will fly later and make sure I get a better fly. Would you consider that a competition?
2. How about the scoring junk rollers? Would you consider scoring birds that switch wings, >< low axle winged junk and stuff like that? Is that the standard our judges should except? Just looking for your opinion guest. KGB
Last Edited by on Feb 11, 2008 11:02 AM
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JMUrbon
376 posts
Feb 11, 2008
9:03 AM
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Kenny to me that would be considered a fun fly and not a competition fly. Not sure the purpose of a fly that you are not going to count because you dont like the results. JMHO. Joe Urbon
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quickspin
343 posts
Feb 11, 2008
10:48 AM
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Tony, regarding the point system.
When I use to compete for Db Drag racing you had to obtain certain points to be able to get a invitation for world finals. Or you had to be in the top 20 to even consider entering for world finals. Only the best would of had a chance to compete in the world. This was nice because you will only see the best and no time was wasted at all.
Their was also the regular competitions that go one ones or twice a month. Each competition was by points depending on the place you had got. There was also events were the points would of multiply up to 3x. This was good and usually the top competitors would compete to gain more points for world finals. World finals was 4x the points and they will help you for next year finals. This year is 75 points minimum to qualify for world finals. Each competition is 8 points to 1st place and 7 to 2nd and so on.
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SALAS LOFT
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