turkey buzzard
20 posts
Feb 14, 2008
6:58 AM
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Is it true that the NBRC executive personnel are trying to pass some ethics clause and is asking for input? Is it for membership or to hold an office? I thought this was a hobby, and was supposed to be fun!!!!!!!!
Carl R. Braker
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J_Star
1546 posts
Feb 14, 2008
7:28 AM
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Carl,
Even with a hobby, ethics should be number 1 priority. It insures everyone in this hobby or sport is respected and insures the importance of diversity. Don't you think!!!
Jay
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turkey buzzard
21 posts
Feb 14, 2008
10:28 AM
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No, I don't, this ethics issue is over the hawk issue and the altercation that took place several years ago. Now we have individuals that are trying to POLICE the NBRC. In our hobby we have drug dealers, felons, prison inmates, professional fighters, lawyers, doctors and on and on. Are we to say that if I was arrested for a crime (Felony) placed in a penal institution did my time and got out that I should not hold office in the NBRC(ethics). There is not one individual who is getting paid for his time and effort it's volunteer. It's a hobby with birds. Give me a break we need ethics like we need out Presidential Canidates!!!!!!!!
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luis
653 posts
Feb 14, 2008
10:30 AM
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If this is true,i would think that it is solely based on recent events and brought forth to give the governing body the power to ban "undesirable" individuals without fear of legal battles.Also for the future protection of the club.What do you all think?
Last Edited by on Feb 14, 2008 10:52 AM
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J_Star
1547 posts
Feb 14, 2008
10:38 AM
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Is this ethics thing coming from the NBRC leadership or imposed on us from the outside?
Jay
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gabe454
245 posts
Feb 14, 2008
10:41 AM
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Where did you guys hear this from?
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2190 posts
Feb 14, 2008
11:31 AM
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Hey Carl, you sound pretty strongly about this don't you? Before we start arguing ethics and volunteers, we should define what ethics are and what does it mean to have them or not have them.
We should also give some thought to what "volunteering" is all about and what if any responsibilities volunteers should have toward the organization and how the lack of ethics by volunteers may or may not harm the entire group.
Can someone go look up the definition of "ethics" and post what they find? Can someone go look up the definition of "volunteer" and post what they find as well?
This is a legitimate discussion and one worth having, let's put any emotion aside to keep the heat down to a simmer, and actually discuss the topic.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2191 posts
Feb 14, 2008
11:42 AM
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Okay, who can sum up that post on ethics by LaRon!?
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Mongrel Lofts
524 posts
Feb 14, 2008
7:40 PM
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Tony,
I have trouble with this rule in the NBRC. I have seen first hand how the powers in the NBRC deal out justice unfairly! I have seen them take the vote from the members and hand it over to the EC! Who will run the ethic's committee? The EC? I Believe an ethic's clause could be just another way of keeping those who disagree with the power structure quite! Or they mite be found unethical! I never felt this way before. It's against my nature! I think you must first have eithic's before you can deal them out fairly. This is better left to pastor's not the NBRC EC.. Just my opinion,, KGB
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kcfirl
291 posts
Feb 14, 2008
8:07 PM
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I would like to see the amendment. If it's well written and deals specifically with the BOP issue I support it 100%.
Ken
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Mongrel Lofts
526 posts
Feb 14, 2008
8:24 PM
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Ken F,
I agree! If it just deals with the BOP? I'm for it also. I guess we have to see what they are voting on. That could be part of the problem. We the Members of the NBRC don't have any idea what is going on. KGB
PS. I know, we will read it in the bulletin after they have voted.
Last Edited by on Feb 14, 2008 8:26 PM
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George R.
154 posts
Feb 14, 2008
8:28 PM
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Ken you need to get in touch with your regional director or Email me at g1ruiz@cox.net
And I will fill you in on the bylaw
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nicksiders
2573 posts
Feb 14, 2008
10:57 PM
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Contacting your RD would be a sensible thing to do instead of standing on the outside yelling unfounded critisisms. Your RD cannot talk to everyone in his region about every issue that may arrive or none of the business will ever be taken care of in its due course.
Nick Siders
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Customkev
10 posts
Feb 15, 2008
5:09 AM
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I have talked with our regional director here in region 6.
He had asked my take on this topic and let me know it is in the works, nothing in concrete as of yet... What I gathered from our discussion was: It only affects the people holding office and only pertains to charges against the BOP... I may be wrong but that is how I understood our Director... Kevin Monroe Weatherford Tx.
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kcfirl
292 posts
Feb 15, 2008
6:25 AM
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Hi George,
I did speak to my RD. In fact, I have been asking him constantly about what actions would be taken, if any, in light of the recent issues.
He does not know of anything concrete happening and can provide me with no details.
That's a shame because I want to be part of the NBRC but have let my membership expire purposely due to the lack of action. I was hoping somehting concrete was coming so that I could once again align myself with the organization and support it 100% as I have done in the past.
Regards,
Ken Firl
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J_Star
1550 posts
Feb 15, 2008
7:34 AM
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I am sure that under Jay Yandle leadership, things will be better and for the benefit of the club and all its members. Give it time for things to work themselves out.
However, since we are talking about ethics, then maybe ethics should be exercised through out the whole organization….Where is the ethics when RDs and/or judges for flys constantly seen taking birds from flyer(s) on fly days!!!! Here in the private industry we are not allowed to accept any gifts from vendors no matter how nominal is the value of that gift so that we will not feel obligated to them in any way what so ever. But yet RDs and judges take those birds as gifts in the view of everybody….don’t you think they would feel obligated to those fanciers to help them out with their scores or other favors!!!!
If ethics are not an issue for elected officials who are leading the club as I read from earlier posts, then would you elect an official in your town, state or the country if you know the official had prior convection for bribery, embezzlement or drunk driving or drug convections or self incriminated act such as publicized adultery!! You be the judge.
Jay
Last Edited by on Feb 15, 2008 7:59 AM
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Missouri-Flyer
1298 posts
Feb 15, 2008
11:01 AM
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excellent point Jay,
I too have often thought about the EXACT thing. Not saying that it happens, but not saying thats it doesnt either.
I plan on taking some time off from work this year so that I can travel and see with my own eyes, the scores of others in my region.
Val, enter up cuz I am coming.
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Jerry
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sippi
38 posts
Feb 15, 2008
4:56 PM
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Be careful talking ethics and politics at in the same sentence. Have you ever seen the criminal records of some of the people that have been elected by U.S. citizens to Congess or the Senate?
Sippi
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katyroller
122 posts
Feb 15, 2008
5:40 PM
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There are many successful clubs and organizations that have a Code of Ethics. Having an established Code of Ethics helps to give creedence to the organization because it implies that the members have agreed upon a standard of conduct that benefits all members. I am in favor of any rules or regulations that are designed to help form a favorable image for those who are not members. I also believe the Code should apply to all members not just elected officials and not only for issues concerning BOP incidents. IMHO the NBRC has been a "good ole' boys club" for far too long.
Having said the above, I will not deny that there can be down sides to having a Code of Ethics. Concerns have been raised over who should have the authority to revoke membership. This position/individual must be decided on by the membership. I also understand the accusation that decisions have been made for the membership by certain individuals against the wishes of the membership. Like our own political system, the answer is to ensure you vote for elected officials and use your RD's to present your concerns to the governing body.
In closing, I offer the example of the AU as a successful organization with a Code of Ethics. Our side of the BOP issue would hold alot more weight if we were able to lobby Govt. officials on Capitol Hill like the AU. Would you invite an elected official to a fly to watch two old guys throw blows or any of the other questionable acts most of us have witnessed? This is all my opinion and nothing more.
Peace,
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