W@yne
1080 posts
Feb 17, 2008
11:19 AM
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Guys
When picking excellent spinning birds from the sky to grace your stock loft amongst other things does the eye of the bird play a major role in it ever entering in there.
I know some of you guys rely deeply on eye placement, and Expression,
Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Feb 17, 2008 11:43 AM
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spinner jim
235 posts
Feb 17, 2008
11:22 AM
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Wayne,i once had a red badge with both eyes missing and only one leg plus all his feathers had fell out,we named him LUCKY ,lol jim.
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Missouri-Flyer
1308 posts
Feb 17, 2008
11:31 AM
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Wayne
The placement, color, expression and shape of the eye would be at the bottom of the performance list. If the bird does it in the air, and show you that he deserves to be bred from, then the eye would only come into play at that point, if at all.
The eye is needed by the bird to see, and not much more.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on Feb 17, 2008 12:58 PM
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fhtfire
1252 posts
Feb 17, 2008
11:53 AM
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I have birds roll good with bull eyes..pupils forward...pupils centered...bright eyed....wild eyed...yellow...gravel...odd...the eye to me is meaningless....The performance is what I look at...and then it is weather the bird produces....
Sometimes I wonder about my eyes....sometimes I can see going to work...LOL
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Steve_uk
336 posts
Feb 17, 2008
11:58 AM
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The eye is a load of bollox.
Steve...
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c robbo
68 posts
Feb 17, 2008
2:12 PM
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i agree with steve uk.
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Scott
42 posts
Feb 17, 2008
2:24 PM
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Yes it does to some degree Wayne, with my birds particular eyes will follow birds that are more likely to produce when all else is equel.
I also want an inteligent looking bird, which is told by the expression and without the eyes you can't guage it.
But first such birds must proove themselfs in the air before what I wrote above comes into play.
But also a hard flown bird for no less than two years and most of this will take care of it's own as the mentaly weak will fall off and the strong will just show themselfs as stiffs
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 17, 2008 2:29 PM
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W@yne
1083 posts
Feb 17, 2008
10:11 PM
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Scott
I am starting to study the eye and i am becoming more experienced in looking and knowing what looks right and what looks wrong.
I am in no position to look at my birds eye at this moment in time when picking my stock because i only breed from 8 pr and getting good birds to pick from the sky is my main priority at the moment because i am in no position to pick and chose.
One thing will do in the future when i have ample numbers to pick from to grace my stock loft i will definitely pick the best eyed bird with a good expression i have learned a lot about the eye and i am starting to agree there's definitely summat in it.
Thanks guys for your posts.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Feb 17, 2008 10:11 PM
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Shadow
75 posts
Feb 17, 2008
11:01 PM
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With you on this one Wayne,as their is an awful lot in between,"they do or they dont"and an open mind is a must before you are even capable of learning,the so many aspects and traits, requirements of especially breeding a large% of good rollers,or most other working creatures,with the eyes being just one,but certainly its difficult and complex,which in all probability puts off lots of people,carry on and learn,and then make your own mind up as regards value of eyes,then you are in a position to conclude with some conviction,if its rubbish/or benifical
Last Edited by on Feb 17, 2008 11:06 PM
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W@yne
1085 posts
Feb 18, 2008
9:54 AM
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Shadow i agree
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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SiDLoVE
187 posts
Feb 18, 2008
10:09 AM
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I think each flyer would know better of the eye for there own flying birds.
When they notice the pearl eye for them are high percentage of good rolling birds and over frequent. and there orange eye birds are shorter but super fast but less frequent . O.K now they know breed pearl eye to orange eye. Each family of birds eyes can indicate to you diffrent stuff so youll know after awhile which eye does what in your family of rollers. ,,,
....have a good one Wayne ...
sidLOVe*
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Scott
51 posts
Feb 18, 2008
10:42 AM
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Shadow, you are right, there is a lot on inbetween,although pupil placement that is way out of whack as far as forward and down tend not to show inbetween regardless of the family
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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nicksiders
2581 posts
Feb 18, 2008
10:43 AM
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I have been trying to find something in the eye of rollers for many, many years. I do know that a big part expression is found there. Also, health signs can be found there. I have yet to find definite performance sign thier. Eye signing is something that came out of the early days of keeping performance pigeons especially the racing birds when they did not have the ability to understand what causes the better birds to be better birds. They also knew there were witches with super-natural powers and before that they knew that the sun was a god.
Nick Siders
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Donny James
292 posts
Feb 18, 2008
8:08 PM
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hay wayne,the eye sign plays the biggest part and the expression of the bird also plays a part in it to its hard for me to put into words what i'm looking for i can explain it better in person...............donny james
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SpinZone
43 posts
Feb 18, 2008
8:29 PM
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There a many roller guys that are big on what they call expression. I was taught a long time ago that you should breed for the quality of the roll, my study of the eyes led me to this conclusion. The bull eyed birds that many people shy away from tend to be outstanding rollers well in my family of birds anyway.
I would say to those starting out breed for the roll and lock that into your family. After that is locked in if you do not care for bull eyes it can be corrected or bred out very easily.
Keep this is mind when you are watching an outstanding bird in the air you do not know what the eye looks like or what color it is. All you can see is the bird is doing it right so why would you not breed from it if you do not like bull eyes this can be bred out very easily.
P.S. you may find out that getting rid of that bull eye may cause you to give up something that you were trying to capture.
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Shadow
78 posts
Feb 18, 2008
11:33 PM
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This is factual,Eyes the reading and blending of particular aspects,signs/marks/etc have been invaluable to myself,in my pursuit of excellence firstly in racers,and later with rollers
especially within my families,I dont have any problem seeing these pointers in other peoples birds,this has come by after a deal of studying many others findings,and a great deal of mistakes,I never had the distinction or pleasure of finding anything new myself,only what others discovered,so I learned,still do,if anyone wishes to learn,and its about choice here,you can save a good deal of time,and frustration,by logging on to a Mr Jack Barkell web site,and learn/improve the many fascinating aspects re eyes through his findings,graphs,pictures,again its your choice,just as its mine,now it does get a bit irksome to see it knocked on such a regular basis,out of sheer ignorance of the subject,this being self evident by some replies,its your choice,but at least give some credence to your own intellect,and have an idea of what you are at least knocking,but as I say its about choice,and whatever you chose I wish you the best.
Last Edited by on Feb 18, 2008 11:37 PM
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