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Hawk attack victim
Hawk attack victim
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
230 posts
Feb 17, 2008
8:01 PM
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 the picture was taken with my cell phone and it was getting dark,
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Hector Coya - SGVS
Last Edited by on Feb 17, 2008 8:02 PM
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
231 posts
Feb 17, 2008
8:05 PM
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I think we should all post our hawk victims so the animal rights idiots can see what the hawks do to the birds.
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Hector Coya - SGVS
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George R.
186 posts
Feb 17, 2008
8:08 PM
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dont do it they may try to outlaw flying Birds due to the hawks
They are good at getting it backwords
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PR_rollers
534 posts
Feb 17, 2008
8:08 PM
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Hector is he going to make it?
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Ralph....
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
232 posts
Feb 17, 2008
8:19 PM
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I think he will make it ,i sowed him up as soon as he came down.he was the lucky one another one wasnt as lucky.
this happens everyday to evryone trying to fly their birds.
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Hector Coya - SGVS
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quickspin
362 posts
Feb 17, 2008
8:43 PM
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I will post mine but there is nothing but the feathers left.
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SALAS LOFT
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gabe454
257 posts
Feb 17, 2008
8:55 PM
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sorry for the injury hector i know how bad it is out there with you guys hopfully you guys can fly without worries soon.
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TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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Shadow
77 posts
Feb 17, 2008
11:48 PM
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Is there not any way this carnage by predators,which is inflicted upon all species of birds,with the rollers being just one,should not be highlighted "lawfully" on this side of the World we have to contend with the Perigrine,Sparrow Hawk,Goshawk,in the hawk family these are the most supreme predators,and are responsible for decimating many species of birds almost to extinction,organizations responsible regarding these birds have sat down with the relevent authorities,regarding their concerns,they consist of gun club,gamekeepers,just two but their are many more including the most effective one which is existince for only five years and is growing daily,The Songbird Survival Group,consisting of members of the public,who are becoming more aware on a daily basis of this carnage,by overpopulation of raptors,one picture of a bird being eaten alive,what reaction would you think this image has with Mothers and children,we have to work in tandem with all organizations,not just pigeon guys,who already have had too much bad press,but always within the laws of the land,again my opinion,what other options are there,its not going to improve,by closing your eyes,and hoping it goes away,it only gets worse,much better with unity and by presenting the facts from a wider section of all people concerned,and hopefully in time action regarding overpopulation of predators,through discussion and establishment and presentation of these facts.
Last Edited by on Feb 17, 2008 11:58 PM
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trevsta65
255 posts
Feb 18, 2008
12:21 AM
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i just put a bird down today infection had started to set in.it was a miracle it flew home with the injuries it had i saw it get hit and it didnt return until late evening.it was ripped from crop to its mid region because it showed so much spirit in flying home i thought id try and patch it up but hindsite i should have ended its pain earlier.cheers trev
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DeepSpinLofts
306 posts
Feb 18, 2008
6:13 AM
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You make a rather interesting viewpoint Hector:
>>>"I think we should all post our hawk victims so the animal rights advocates can see what the hawks do to the birds.<<<<
There was a Coopers Hawk at my place yesterday morning scattering my young birds about while they were on a routine training session. Good thing I was there to get all of the birds back into their mobile pens.... which I later closed up and rolled back into my barn. Every roller made it back to homebase safe and sound.... and probably a little wiser about those BOP out there.
Hmm......
I'm going to shut down my roller operation for at least a week and change the time the birds will be released to fly. I think being able to hide my rolling pigeons in a barn really confuses the BOP who expect to see the birds outside in and around their pens if they so happen to return in the morning.
Coopers Hawk
Scientific Name --- Accipiter cooperii
Order: FALCONIFORMES -
Family: ACCIPITRIDAE -
Subfamily: ACCIPITRINAE
DESCRIPTION:
Medium-sized hawk.
Tail long, rounded, and barred.
Wings short and rounded.
Back dark gray or gray-brown.
Underparts barred reddish and white.
Size: 39-50 cm (15-20 in)
Wingspan: 62-90 cm (24-35 in)
Weight: 250-597 g (8.83-21.07 ounces)
NOTE: Preys on other birds, and small animals. Can sometimes be found around wild bird feeding stations. You probably won't see these birds perching high up out in the open as much as the red-tailed hawks; they like to be more concealed. So you may see one perching on an inner tree branch, surrounded by leaves, or you may see one swooping to or from some other cover.
COOL FACTS: Dashing through dense vegetation to catch birds is a rather dangerous lifestyle. A recent study found that 23 percent of all Cooper's Hawks examined had healed fractures in the bones of the chest, especially of the furcula or wishbone.
A Cooper's Hawk captures a bird with its feet, and will squeeze it repeatedly to kill it. It does not bite the prey to kill it in the fashion of falcons, but holds it away from its body until it dies. It has been known to drown its prey, holding a bird under water until it stops moving.
Large numbers of Cooper's Hawks can be seen on migration, especially at hawk watches such as Hawk Mountain, Pennsylvania; Cape May, New Jersey, Goshute Mountain Range, Nevada, or Braddock Bay, New York. Autumn movements generally begin in late August and continue through early November. Young Cooper's Hawks tend to migrate about a week earlier than adults, and females tend to go earlier than males by a few days.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Feb 18, 2008 6:17 AM
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CSRA
1392 posts
Feb 19, 2008
12:41 AM
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Those BOP are very aggressive with the birds we are in for a long ride
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Richard
93 posts
Feb 19, 2008
9:02 AM
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trevsta65
Next time pour some peroxide on the wound and this will lesson the chance for infections.
rjm
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DeepSpinLofts
340 posts
Feb 25, 2008
2:28 PM
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I've done some extensive research at the secondary level and it has become apparent that BOP have made a comeback. Federal protection against being hunted and the use of certain pesticides have allowed them to breed abundantly in the United States. Heck... even the California Condor is making a comeback and it's not even a problem to pigeon flyers.
Keep in mind that the corporatization of chicken farms means that more chickens are being housed by the thousands inside of huge well protected facilities. The day of the neighborly chicken farmer down the road has been replaced by the modern pigeon fancier.
NOTE: Swift flying hawks that eat birds no longer prey on young chickens and chicks like they did several decades ago. Instead... they prey on doves, quails, pigeons, young pheasants, young wild turkeys, sparrows, finches, woodpeckers, hummingbirds and small birds.
What are the solutions?
1) Hide your birds when they are not flying. I stash my mobile kitboxes in a barn. I know this will not be possible for everyone.... but it's a good suggestion anyway.
2) Don't let any birds out that sit on wires or rooftops for long periods. They attract BOP. Don't use fantails as droppers. That's just too old-school if you were to ask me.
3) Train your birds to trap quick! This is done with the feed. A team of good well trained birds should be in through the trap in only a few moments after they've landed.
4) Switch your hours up before you release them to fly next time. This helps to keep the BOP mystified about your training/flying program.
I'm all out of ideas for now.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Feb 25, 2008 7:05 PM
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