CSRA
1405 posts
Feb 21, 2008
5:19 PM
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obvious huh okay
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SpinZone
61 posts
Feb 21, 2008
5:25 PM
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Honestly up until a couple of years ago I stocked birds form the air after they were flown for about two years. Recently I stocked a couple of hens that were out of a pair that produce a high percentage of good solid birds.
I must say there is still nothing like seeing them do their thing in the air. I am still not good at picking them from the ground but I do respect the person that can pick them from the ground with out a question.
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CSRA
1406 posts
Feb 21, 2008
5:32 PM
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Spin good answer but you you choose roll over type?
call me
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Scott
71 posts
Feb 21, 2008
5:38 PM
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Out of the air, I gotta know what it is made of, from there I evaluate it on other merits.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Missouri-Flyer
1334 posts
Feb 21, 2008
5:40 PM
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just as Scott said
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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George R.
219 posts
Feb 21, 2008
7:28 PM
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Birds have to be AIR TESTED.
Other wise you never know.
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CSRA
1407 posts
Feb 21, 2008
7:55 PM
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So scott performance or type first which one first
Last Edited by on Feb 21, 2008 7:56 PM
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Scott
72 posts
Feb 21, 2008
8:21 PM
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More times than not if the bird truly has quality roll,spin or what ever you want to call it, type will take care of itself.
Personaly I think far too many have a perception of what type "should" be , which is why you see short coby wide chested birds.
As for stock,what is in the head is as equel as type where speed and quality is concerned,it is an entire package that we need to be looking at and is why stocking any bird should be done only after serious consideration.
It must be noted that there is more to stocking a bird than just out of the air also, not every good bird out of the kitbox is stock worthy.
Given a either or choice though , I would take out of the air anyday,if there is no motor there is nothing but a show bird , but in real life it isnt a either or choice.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 21, 2008 8:54 PM
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CSRA
1408 posts
Feb 21, 2008
8:46 PM
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Scott good answer if u had two brothers one spun the other was just an average roller the one spun his type was not as good as the average roller which one will u breed out of
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Scott
74 posts
Feb 21, 2008
9:02 PM
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"Scott good answer if u had two brothers one spun the other was just an average roller the one spun his type was not as good as the average roller which one will u breed out of "
I would say that I would re-evaluate what I think type "should" be , obviously the one that spun with quality would be more along what type should be.
But then what is in the head plays in big time also, if it is too strong mentaly and fights the roll it will look like dog shit even with the right type,will do the same if controled by the roll.
Either way I have no use for it over the other,Type is probably the easiest to fix.
It is a complicated breed that can keep me up at night thinking about this stuff, that is why I love it.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 21, 2008 9:36 PM
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CSRA
1415 posts
Feb 23, 2008
7:36 AM
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Scott this a wonderful hobby here thanks
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elopez
584 posts
Feb 23, 2008
12:58 PM
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From the Air. At least one full season if they are exceptional but will try to do 2 seasons.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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quality
2 posts
Feb 23, 2008
6:59 PM
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If a bird can spin with the highest of quality, then that bird is the right type. Some are wide chested, some are smaller birds, some look like plugs, but if the QUALITY is there they are of the right type.
My birds are English stuff:
Bob Brown liked his birds bigger than most, but they could perform with the best of them. He had the trophys to prove it.
Bill Barrett on the other hand liked a smaller bird & his birds could perform with the best of them as well.
Stan Arnold has crested rollers and I have seen some nice spinners there.
Luke Terkalis had muffed rollers, like Trumpeters, and they could spin as well.
I'm not saying Type is not important but that everyones type is different.
If you breed a close family of birds that produce the highest quality rollers, then your birds are the right Type for you. My birds are the right Type for me. Scotts birds are the right Type for him.
Yours in the Hobby Don Lunau
Pigeonpairadice Lofts
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PR_rollers
564 posts
Feb 23, 2008
7:28 PM
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From the air i choose first. if he does everything right with quality he is the right type.but he has to have the heart.must be game ,that only comes from flying it hard real hard.two seasons the most.
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Ralph....
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Shadow
92 posts
Feb 24, 2008
12:18 AM
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Selecting a Stock Cock in my instance he has got to have it all regarding performance,and do it major share of the time,with no blemish whatsoever for at least two flying seasons,then he is chosen for Stock,on the Bull System which is my method for breeding,I might breed a pair of young from him previous,as this appears to help with his maturity,with hens,its a little easier,as good hens,rather than spectacular are whats acceptable,but hey its not easy,no matter what road you go down,but on Bull system you need less Cocks,so in practice,you can be more choosy.
Last Edited by on Feb 24, 2008 12:20 AM
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c robbo
112 posts
Feb 24, 2008
2:22 AM
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i dont have stock birds all of my birds fly comp. i dont have priseners. wots the point of havin a peach of a roller and bang it up four life.
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Steve_uk
351 posts
Feb 24, 2008
3:00 AM
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Fair coment Christopher.
Steve...
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Velo99
1589 posts
Feb 24, 2008
5:19 AM
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The rule that was taught to me was this;to be a stock worthy bird it must produce as good or better than itself.
This general statement is so simple yet complicated. Clearly type is not factored into this statement. Scott said type will take care of itself. In my opinion it is all about the the bird itself.
If it has the goods to get considered for the stock, it has all the neccessary elements to PERFORM. Does it possess the parental qualities to make it a quality stock bird? Could its genes be jammmed to a point just past replication? Does it have an unseem physiological flaw which could keep it from laying or fertilizing eggs? Could the intended mate have a similar genetic package that would produce an flawed chick? Could they just be too hot? There are a number of scenarios which could be played out.
Who has bred a bird for a season or two and found that it just didn`t work? Swap it around with a few other mates and it still just does`nt have it. Not a stocker. Flies great just not a stocker. Similar to not all rollers are spinners. All rollers are not breeders.
Overall we are relatively successful when we mate our birds using the rules and suggestions in this thread. The use of best performers as a breeding stock pool has been the truest source of genetic material. In the cyclical nature of animal husbandry performance is the true test of the stock.
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V99
Keep the best. Eat the rest.
Last Edited by on Feb 24, 2008 5:24 AM
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