Shadow
113 posts
Mar 01, 2008
12:31 AM
|
When choosing birds for Stock,most voice the opinion that it should be done 100% of the time from the air,a top class quality performer,and that this is their practice on a regular ongoing basis,yet former greats of this game W.H.Penson,Bob Brown,Bill Barret,and at a later date George Mason,that I know of wrote/stated that they will and do breed on ocassions from Non Performers wondering is this because these guys in the main were breeding high velocity rollers with varying degrees of depth,possibly the perfect roller,and holding them at same made stability a very important factor,would this have been their reason for introduction of non performer. What do you think.
|
Scott
131 posts
Mar 01, 2008
5:44 AM
|
There is more to it than just being a non performer than just "non performer" ,lots more.
And maybe,just maybe that non performer that they are talking about in reality was a performer if they had kept flying it.
Myself, I don't do it and have found that my best producers came out of my best,if all else is right,like I've said in prior posts ,I want to know what it is made of.
----------
Just my Opinion
Scott
|
joey mac
2 posts
Mar 01, 2008
6:35 AM
|
when choosing for stock non performers are a fault because we are looking for rolling pigeons. I fly red badges and have won with them for 20 years in the birmingham club in England uk. MY badges kit well and break well but are short.so i am going to cross some birmingham rollers which are 10 feet to 15 feet deep so fingers crossed
Last Edited by on Mar 01, 2008 6:36 AM
|
c robbo
148 posts
Mar 01, 2008
7:28 AM
|
joey mc wot strain of rollers do u fly mate.
|
W@yne
1134 posts
Mar 01, 2008
8:09 AM
|
Joey mac
Spinner Jim from gloucester flys red badges do you know him?
He comes on here everynow and then.
Jim where are you lol??????
----------
Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
=====================================
|
spinner jim
237 posts
Mar 02, 2008
3:33 AM
|
Hello again Wayne hows it goin, Joey Mac ive had red badges for years now where abouts are you, i am in gloucester but all my birds originated from birmingham,i also have a few pairs of grizzle birminghams that i am breeding a kit from,keep in touch lads,Jim uk. (ps. Joey have you got any spare hens ?)
Last Edited by on Mar 02, 2008 3:34 AM
|
W@yne
1139 posts
Mar 02, 2008
10:06 AM
|
Yes Colin you are correct
The red badge tumblers are very active breaking in big numbers but lack depth compared to a birmingham roller.
----------
Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
=====================================
|
Mount Airy Lofts
527 posts
Mar 02, 2008
10:16 AM
|
Shadow,
One should ask himself. Do you want more of the same? Pretty simple if you asked me.
I can not see why some one would need a non performer unless it was for adding numbers to the stock loft. Your quote above was probably said by fliers who had years of flying experience. Any one using this to justify breeding out of non performers are really just fooling themselves for taking short cuts.
Just put down my pairs,
Thor
----------
It's all about the friends we make :)
|
Mongrel Lofts
539 posts
Mar 02, 2008
11:10 AM
|
Shadow,
I like to keep it simple and clear.. Lets say you stock non perfromers for 10 years and I will stock only the best rollers I breed for 10 years. Who do you think will be flying the rollers in 10 years? Really we make this to hard. Stock what you want to fly more of. Then match them to the best of your ability on the ground for breeding. You can bred some good performers from non performers if they are out of good stock, but why? It's always a gamble and the shortest road to flying stiff birds I can think of. Not really smart is it? KGB
|
Spin City USA
26 posts
Mar 02, 2008
10:27 PM
|
Hey Kenny, how are you doing? Were you really gambling when you were line breeding your drk ck's I KNOW you know your families and are looking for certain qualities and Sam is the same way. I know every body sees things differently but you got to admit that when you know your families the odds are in your favor, so when you see certain things that you know in your families you dont have to fly them and can stock from the nest. I still want to see them fly and spin cause thats what they were bred to do.
----------
They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
Last Edited by on Mar 02, 2008 10:29 PM
|
Shadow
114 posts
Mar 03, 2008
12:32 AM
|
Thor
No I am not advocating breeding ad hoc from Non Performers, I am just quoting that these fanciers done it,with years of experience breeding top class rollers,as regards them it was hardly a short cut,why did they do it,why do they recommend you can do on occassions.
|
Shadow
115 posts
Mar 03, 2008
12:53 AM
|
Kenny
Breeding ad hoc from non performers is the shortest road to non performers,not exactly relevant,again why should these men seemingly okay it,you state yourself,good performers can come from non performers,most things regarding rollers has an element of chance,it could never be an exact science.
Last Edited by on Mar 03, 2008 12:55 AM
|
Shadow
116 posts
Mar 03, 2008
1:28 AM
|
Jay sees whats apparently obvious in this instance,as regards breeding for a reason from a non performer,and my own beliefs as to why you should breed from a non performer,is to covet some of its apparent capabilities,which in most cases would be its ability to hold the roll,everything required is present,bloodlines,pluslots of other factors,but no roll of note,now to keep the gene/roller pot simmering,without boiling over,while staying within the same gene pool,its the non performer thats important to retain the stability,my reading on this is these guys had total perfection in all aspects of some rollers,hence the need for stability,always from within the family,again this is my slant on this,and therefore its only my opinion,and I would look forward to finding myself in a similar predicament.
|