elopez
698 posts
Mar 05, 2008
4:03 PM
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I breed open Loft.
Would prefer individuals but they take too much time and I like sitting in my loft and seeing them all fly around - so I guess I really prefer open...
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Efren Lopez
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THC
17 posts
Mar 05, 2008
4:10 PM
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IM WITH YOU LOCOLOFT THAT'S WHAT I LIKE IT TOO. YOU ALWAY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING OUT OF YOUR PAIRS
Last Edited by on Mar 05, 2008 4:12 PM
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jerries loft
103 posts
Mar 05, 2008
4:24 PM
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I prefer individual because i know what i have without any doubt. but i also have a open loft setup.
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bertie
8 posts
Mar 05, 2008
4:39 PM
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I know why you don't want to do an open loft breeding! I tired it this year. I am just starting out and I thought it would be easier so I just let them go. I had 3 males that will be the father of most birds this first round. They was jumping every hen there. Even the paired up ones. I now have 9 breeding cages and they are all sectioned off. At least the second round I will know who is the father. It does take more time but I have tons of time to spend anyway I like.
Bert
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1308 posts
Mar 05, 2008
4:42 PM
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I have open loft .......
Live in the city have very small yard.....lol
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Last Edited by on Mar 05, 2008 4:45 PM
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THC
18 posts
Mar 05, 2008
4:46 PM
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THEY work real good if you are trying to start a family it is the best way to go. it is a littel more work but look at the end you wear your babys are comeing from
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Ty Coleman
20 posts
Mar 05, 2008
4:56 PM
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i use both methods my best birds in seperate pens and my not so great birds in an open loft my reason is im hoping for something descent out of my open loft while i exspect good squabs out of my closed pens.
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bertie
9 posts
Mar 05, 2008
4:58 PM
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I sectioned off my loft into 9 big breeding cages so they all have cement floors. I am on my hands and knees every other day with a scrapper and little shovel.
Oh by the way is cement floors all right for pigeons? I used an existing building and just put up some screen sections inside.
Why aren't you guys on the chat Line?
Last Edited by on Mar 05, 2008 5:03 PM
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Edgar
35 posts
Mar 05, 2008
5:05 PM
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I think that most of us prefer individual breeding but like most of you guys sed takes a little more work but in the end its well worth it because you know exactly what your breeding.edgar
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Ty Coleman
23 posts
Mar 05, 2008
5:06 PM
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bertie i dont know about cement but i use white sand in my lofts cheap to use but still alot of shovel work my new loft still has dirt floor in it and no one has ever been in the chat room since ive been here
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bertie
10 posts
Mar 05, 2008
5:32 PM
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I didn't even think about that! I used ground up corn cob on the floors for the canaries when I was raising them. You get it at pet stores and it is ground up corn cob in chunks a little bigger than a kernel of corn. I'll have to get some that works really good and keeps the birds feet clean. Thanks for the reminder.
I hope you have wire under the dirt floors. Skunks and raccoons will dig right under the floor to get inside.
Last Edited by on Mar 05, 2008 5:34 PM
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JM420LOFT
47 posts
Mar 05, 2008
6:38 PM
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Individual for me. Open loft i saw 2 cocks jump 1 hen the hen when to get water.
Last Edited by on Mar 05, 2008 6:41 PM
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lil_jess
70 posts
Mar 05, 2008
6:45 PM
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If they are of the same family, then open loft...If different family then individual...
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luis
684 posts
Mar 05, 2008
6:50 PM
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Individual breeding pens regardless of family!THEN YOU CAN BE 100% CERTAIN OF THE PARENTS!Otherwise you're taking a big chance.
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PR_rollers
643 posts
Mar 05, 2008
7:05 PM
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I'm with you on this one Luis,since I'm retire i have all the time for them.If a bird comes out with the quality's i like i don't wanna be guessing who is the the pair that made that bird.--------
Ralph....
Last Edited by on Mar 05, 2008 7:12 PM
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JMUrbon
390 posts
Mar 05, 2008
7:31 PM
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I have breed with both styles of lofts over the years and although I would prefer individuals they take alot more time than open lofts and I just dont have the time to deal with them. My stock loft is full of brothers and sisters and I have gotten some great birds out of them in the open loft set up. Not sure it is a good idea if the birds aren't closely related. But to each his own. Joe
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bantieman
26 posts
Mar 05, 2008
7:39 PM
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Open loft is a lot funner to observe the birds but all my breeders are in individual. I have 8 pair in individual pens now...still have 3 empty and 8 more in progress. Don't have 20 pair of breeders so I'll use the extras for fosters, if they sneak in a round I know who the parents are too.
The fosters who don't get to raise their own (ever) are in open loft.
Luke
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fhtfire
1267 posts
Mar 05, 2008
8:15 PM
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My birds are in there own nest boxes until they lay the first round and then they are open loft for the rest of the breeding season. I breed best to best...regardless of who came from who...but all the birds in my loft have been my same birds for the last 5 years or offspring from my 5 or 6 main pairs...so Do I really care if one of my good birds hops another good bird....I don't breed for peds..I breed for the kit box....
Do I think my birds hop from mate to mate...NO!!! does it happen every long now and then...could...again.....If I am breeding for peds...or want to be 100% that is fine...but I also enjoy my birds and I LOVE letting them be pigeons in an open loft...and I feel that they are happy..and happy pigeons are healthy pigeons...been back in birds since 01 and never lost a breeder yet....and I breed from Jan-OCT...and the birds do not look stressed...anyway...just my thought...plus..to time consuming for individuals.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Donny James
304 posts
Mar 05, 2008
8:19 PM
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i like individual................donny james
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George R.
269 posts
Mar 05, 2008
8:29 PM
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Pual
I do the same thing , I work 40 plus hours a week and I dont have the time for Individuals besides the Whole Roller community knows that I breed and Fly CULLS.
my boxes are Big as some guys Individuals so the Birds have plenty of space to do there thing .
I also dont have any perches in the loft other then the one in front of the box entrance , so the Birds perch right in front of thier box.
Last Edited by on Mar 05, 2008 8:32 PM
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Scott
141 posts
Mar 05, 2008
8:29 PM
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I'm with Joe on this , my breeding loft is within the loft,which are fairly large ind. I lock them in when need be then open them up where they can get excercise,sun bath ect.
Most interaction is done in the breeding boxes when they are large enough, couple that with a all heavily related birds and no outside birds allowed in the main breeding loft and I sure don't loose any sleep over it as I don't breed for paper anyway.
I much prefer the current arrangement along with healthier birds and an oppurtunity to enjoy them,now if I had a hogepodge of birds I would say locked down ind. all the way,or at least until I established a family where I dumped everything else.
With that said, I can't say that I would just want open nest boxes either.
Scott
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2229 posts
Mar 05, 2008
8:36 PM
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Hey Ty, the chat room is mostly busy during the evenings. It is common to have 8 to 10 chatters in there. They seem to have lots of fun and even discuss rollers sometimes! LOL
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c robbo
172 posts
Mar 06, 2008
1:03 AM
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i like open breeding it is ideal for me.
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ICEMAN710
185 posts
Mar 06, 2008
1:17 AM
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I like the Individuals but im breeding open loft this year. I wanted to build some individual pens but unfortunatley I had no time because of work. Maybe next year. My family of birds is very tight knit as far as genes go, so I am alright.
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Gary
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420
54 posts
Mar 06, 2008
6:51 AM
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i like the individual set up. i work over 40 hours and week and i still have time to take care of my birds. i guess it depends on what level you want to take it to.each one of my individual has it own sun cage so they get lots of sun and they don't seem to be sad and it is only for a few months. thin back to the stock loft. i like open loft for fosters.
that just me
420 west side loft
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
463 posts
Mar 06, 2008
6:54 AM
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At the begining or starting to accomplish a family of birds is a good idea to breed individuals.Knowing my family now ,,from color,type and sometimes marking and is
a close knit family now ,,I like to breed open loft for the reason that they get to fly around the loft and get some excersise. I will breed pairs in individual stalls if I have certain birds or older birds,, that I want to be sure of the mating.
R-LUNA
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sippi
96 posts
Mar 06, 2008
7:25 AM
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I breed both. I put special pairings and new matings in the individual pens. Since all my birds are tightly line bred families I also have some in open lofts. There will definitely be hanky panky in open lofts. I had a cock once that would quietly follow a pair on the floor and immediatly jump the hen when her mate got off. I culled him from the stock loft. I have also had some colors come up that werent possible indicating that a certain cock was the parent instead of the mate. I dont over crowd my stock lofts and this causes less illegitimacy. After all the birds are down on eggs I also think the hanky panky is drastically reduced.
Sippi
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Santandercol
2107 posts
Mar 06, 2008
7:44 AM
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Mine are in the individuals till the first eggs are laid then open loft from there.
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Rum-30 Lofts
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JMUrbon
392 posts
Mar 06, 2008
10:53 AM
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I have always found that if you give a pair a large enough box to nest in they will do most of their breeding in there. I rarely see my birds breed outside of their boxes so I feel pretty safe about who is the parents of which offspring. I also hold pedigrees with little regard other than for my own breeding purposes. I dont sell birds and I breed from between 6 and 8 pair and my stock loft is 8'X12' so the birds are far from being over populated. Joe
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3757
687 posts
Mar 06, 2008
11:19 AM
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I always found it interesting that when we talk about selective breeding using individual pens many people equate this to pedigrees and I have always been curious as to why? If an individual is using individual pens for pedigree purposes he or she needs to learn that pedigrees are only a tool to be used by the breeder and no one else. They are nothing more than a piece of paper and if the birds do not do what the individual desires in the air the pedigree is only good for one thing and I cannot say what this is on this forum. Individual Pen breeding eliminates the high probability of illegitimacy in my opinion.
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JMUrbon
395 posts
Mar 06, 2008
11:43 AM
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3757, Because the argument has always come up in regards to open lofts and pedigrees. Joe
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3757
688 posts
Mar 06, 2008
11:47 AM
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Jim - I am not trying to pry but this argument has come up with you and your club members, friends? I am just curious?
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JMUrbon
397 posts
Mar 06, 2008
11:53 AM
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Actually it is Joe. This is something that I have heard for many years. Usually from somebody that really knows nothing about the subject but rather heard it from somebody else. I personally feel as you do that it is just a tool that I use for my records. Even in my own program I geerally go by my gut feeling when pairing my birds up and the only thing I look for on a pedigree is that they arent full brother sister. I have done this type of pairing in the past and find I like more fist cousin, father daughter, aunt or uncle to neice or nephew works best for me.
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3757
689 posts
Mar 06, 2008
12:10 PM
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Joe - Sorry about that. That makes total sense to me now. Nostalgia is fun but as you stated you cannot use it for a breeding tool or you will end up with garbage.
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Werstler
22 posts
Mar 06, 2008
12:20 PM
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I do about half and half, I use the individual when I really want to know where they are coming from, and open loft I like because the seem to do better in a community living, plus less wasted food. also most of my family are so closely related it probably wouldn't be a big deal, I just roll them I don't sell pedigrees .
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spanky
360 posts
Mar 06, 2008
6:16 PM
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INDIVIDUAL IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO, I HAVE 21 INDIVIDUAL SET UP.
SPANKY
SGVS
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gabe454
462 posts
Mar 06, 2008
6:39 PM
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Whats up mr spanky.
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rollerman132
253 posts
Mar 06, 2008
6:42 PM
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I have to say Individual’s; I have two different families, and one that I’m putting together. I need to know who the parents are, in order to move forward.
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creeksidelofts
4 posts
Mar 06, 2008
7:36 PM
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I like to breed 2 or 3 rounds in individual pens and then put them in open loft.I have a few different breeding lofts.I will put 5 or 6 pair in one but all of the cocks will be related.Tony
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henry135
39 posts
Mar 06, 2008
8:35 PM
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----------I BREAD OPEN LOFT FOR MANY YEARS BUT THIS YEAR IM GOING TO BREAD INDEVIULE SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
HENRY
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SappAttack
77 posts
Mar 08, 2009
9:20 AM
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I d a lil of both.. 5 pair Individual Cages, 10 pair open loft... Best of both worlds!
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harrison
341 posts
Mar 08, 2009
9:37 AM
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I love going to my loft coffe in hand, and sit on my chair.
Just sitting there for an hour watching the birds building nests, eating, and chasing, beats seeing any marrige counciler.lol.
I also have a couple of lockd cages for that bird that likes to rip the loft to pieces(WE ALL HAVE ATLEAST ONE).
I think they look abit sad when there in cages and the mess they make is unreal. Why do they sh*t like donkeys but dont in a open loft?
Thanks yours in roll. harrison uk hull
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Anubiss
25 posts
Mar 08, 2009
10:22 AM
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I have been back in pigeons since 92, and I have always bred individuals and there are no if ands or buts you know everything you get, with no mistakes allowed.
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harrison
347 posts
Mar 08, 2009
10:43 AM
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My familey of birds all come from the same guy and he hasnt EVER brought a new pigeon into his familey.
Although he tells me he does plan to soon.
Yes I pick my pairs what I want to go together but I dont care to much if one gets tredded by mistake. They are all what I look for in a roller so if I was to worried about somthing tredding something by mistake it wouldnt be worthy of been in my breeders in the first place.
My breeders have good depth,and shallow depth when needed, good controle and consistance in rolling. they could all have a gang bang for me. As long as they breed lol.. yours in roll
thanks harrison.
Last Edited by on Mar 08, 2009 10:44 AM
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juanrollers
268 posts
Mar 08, 2009
11:03 AM
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I'm still doing a little open loft but am slowly changing to individuals. Currently 15 individual and I think 8or9 open loft. Eventually I'm going to use the open loft for fosters only.
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spanky
798 posts
Mar 08, 2009
11:26 AM
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SPANKY
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spanky
799 posts
Mar 08, 2009
11:27 AM
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spanky
800 posts
Mar 08, 2009
11:29 AM
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THIS ARE MY INDIVIDUALS THE ONLY TO GO....
SPANKY
SGVS
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harrison
353 posts
Mar 08, 2009
11:30 AM
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O MY GIDDY MY GOSH.
PLEASE GOD GIVE ME A SET OF THEM BABYS.
Verry nice Spanky.
I would swap them for an open loft right now.
yours in roll harrison.uk hull.
Best cages i have seen upto date.
Last Edited by on Mar 08, 2009 11:33 AM
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harrison
354 posts
Mar 08, 2009
11:31 AM
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Youve got the JUICE Spanks
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