elopez
723 posts
Mar 06, 2008
10:03 PM
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Real nice looking bird 155. Never seen colors like that. How is he working out for you.
If he's breeding what your looking for, his performance in the air mean nothing. Breeding and flying don't always go hand in hand.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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elopez
724 posts
Mar 06, 2008
10:04 PM
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BOP likes the LOPEZ birds. They like Mexican food...lol
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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ICEMAN710
202 posts
Mar 06, 2008
11:33 PM
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i remember you posted that bird up a while ago, looks awesome! Im sure its a good bird if its from eddie. good luck with it.
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Gary
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washington86
305 posts
Mar 07, 2008
12:35 AM
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nice...that mixed color is out of the ordinary..i never seen such thing before....
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tucknroll
11 posts
Mar 07, 2008
3:52 AM
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155,
nice recessive red. Thats isn't a true mozaic. What you have is a recessive red and the black you are seeing or the oil spots or tar splash is only the recessive red that is not expressing itself totally so basically you have a recessive red bird there. A true mozaic has a split gene for pattern anotherwards you will get barred on one side and check on the other side split right down the middle. I believe Robby Henderson or Eldon Cheney has a few pictures of a true Mozaic with the pattern I'm talking about also Jim Turner may have a few good ones.
Mozaics are created if you will by the epastatic flip of the gene attaching itself to the chromonsone strand thus causing it to split the gene and line it up differently. I think Paul Gomez being a biologist would probably shed more light here. How about it Paul
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luis
694 posts
Mar 07, 2008
8:27 AM
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Mosaics breed true for both the colors they show.In this case Red and Black,but your chances of breeding another mosaic out of them are very...very..very slim.Very nice bird though.I would love one of these to show.Its amazing how genetics work and these mosaics are prime examples of that!
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Mount Airy Lofts
537 posts
Mar 07, 2008
8:59 AM
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Mosaics are strange looking buggers. Can't say I ever seen any good ones. Average, yes but good not yet. Matters little as they make very good conversation starters just to keep around as fosters. My good friend has one that is split right down the middle half Blue Check / half Black. The bird was never flown out but he did let it raise it's own young one year. Produce some good rollers - just too dam wild tempered. Like father like off spring.
Thanks for sharing,
Thor
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It's all about the friends we make :)
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Steve_uk
377 posts
Mar 07, 2008
9:30 AM
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Thats smart.
Steve..
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c robbo
187 posts
Mar 07, 2008
11:21 AM
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wot type of pigeon is the bronze one.
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Ally Mac
206 posts
Mar 07, 2008
3:46 PM
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Right rare colouring but looks a wee cracker. How does it do in the kit? Al.
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elopez
738 posts
Mar 07, 2008
11:01 PM
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Here are pics that Silver Tail took of his bird.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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c robbo
196 posts
Mar 08, 2008
3:41 AM
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them pigeons are mad. thay are not birminghams are thay. are thay west of england cross high fligher cross parlors cross roller. how do u breed that couler.
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elopez
741 posts
Mar 08, 2008
7:46 AM
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Robbo,
Not sure how you can get them this color. I don't own this bird or nor did I breed it. I can assure you that it is a roller, not sure what family but the owner might be able to tell you (Silver Tail)
She is a nice looking hen, Silver Tail was she flown? How is she breeding for you?
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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elopez
745 posts
Mar 08, 2008
5:38 PM
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Silver Tail told me that this bird is a 95 and was breed by Roy Trehern who had all Norm Reed. He also said that my 123 cock would go good on her? I already have him paired up but we might have to see what we can do...
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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spanky
366 posts
Mar 08, 2008
6:17 PM
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EFREN I HOPE I'M ON YOUR LIST, YOU KNOW THAT I WANT SOMETHING OUT OF THAT 123 BIRD.
SPANKY
SGVS
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jerries loft
119 posts
Mar 08, 2008
6:24 PM
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that would be a awesome pair efren.
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Jerries Loft
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luis
698 posts
Mar 08, 2008
7:13 PM
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Very nice example of a mosaic Efren!
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Hector Coya
10 posts
Mar 08, 2008
7:21 PM
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The question is,why whould you fly that bird?
If he has bred other birds from the same pair and they where by the most part good,it has the same geanpool so i whould just make an exeption and put it away just for its look'sit whouldnt bee the first time someone stocks a bird whithout flying it,ive seen people stock birds just becouse of where it came from.Hector Coya
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Hector Coya
11 posts
Mar 08, 2008
7:23 PM
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Last Edited by on Mar 08, 2008 7:24 PM
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George R.
315 posts
Mar 08, 2008
7:39 PM
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it's all about CHOICE its up to each Person if they want to fly a Bird out or STOCK it without flying it out.
I would NEVER stock a Bird without Flying it , Regardless of who bred it .
As far as I know EVERY breeder and every STRAIN of Birds has CULLS in it including MINE.
And that is the reason to Fly everything out.
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gabe454
506 posts
Mar 08, 2008
7:46 PM
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I agree with you hector coya!
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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silver tail
11 posts
Mar 08, 2008
9:40 PM
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Yes she was flown. She belonged to Kevin McCray who started training her and found her to go a land early so I took her and flew her at my place in bellflower where Ihad my birds at the time. Once I got her homed and kitting I flew her for about three months then sent her back home where she finished her time in the sky and Kevin stock her she was 20 to 25' and had flown for about two seasons.
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gabe454
508 posts
Mar 08, 2008
9:48 PM
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Dont take it the wrong way silver trail but doesnt look like a tru mosaic just my opinion.
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
Last Edited by on Mar 08, 2008 9:50 PM
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silver tail
12 posts
Mar 08, 2008
10:33 PM
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Thats fine not taken any porticular way but if thats not the color what would you call it?
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elopez
746 posts
Mar 08, 2008
10:40 PM
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Spanky,
You know you can get any young that you want from my loft. Just let me know which one and it's yours. That goes for you too Hector. I really appreciate all of the help at the Benefit show.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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155
248 posts
Mar 09, 2008
10:12 AM
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efren
nice nice looking bird can i have one to lol....no but i like your bird...
EVILLOFT'S
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Hector Coya
12 posts
Mar 09, 2008
10:26 AM
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George,
Did You fly the bird's that you got from Jim Steven?
No i dont think so.you took his word and they worked out good for you,if they come from a reputable name, thats a good chance you dont have to fly them,Just my opinion.Hector Coya
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155
251 posts
Mar 09, 2008
10:33 AM
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SUP HECTOR
A DO YOU KNOW CHRIS SUMMERHAYS.
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spinner jim
242 posts
Mar 09, 2008
3:15 PM
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Guys ,i have seen the occasional bird like this over the years,a freind of mine had a kit of almond birmingham rollers which were a bit too hot and crossed a couple of pairs of good yellow badges into them,the result of this was what you guys call mosaics,there were some real weird and wonderful markings bred and most were good performers but rather gangly in build and not very pleasing to the eye,this was about twenty years ago and the offspring all ended up in birmingham uk,so if you have imported any new stock they may well be related,jim ,uk.
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chris
5 posts
Mar 09, 2008
4:12 PM
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hello
i have a sweet mosiac how do i post pics on here???the one i have is red bar on one side and blue bar on the other side. it has been posted here before.
chris summerhays
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George R.
319 posts
Mar 09, 2008
4:29 PM
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Hector
I didnt have to Jim flew them for me and I picked and seen them with my own eyes in the air.... ask him he will tell you.
like I said it a choice , it's up to the breeder what he prefers unfown or flown.
I do agree that if they come from a reputable name the chances are better, but it's still not a Guarantee that all the Birds will be good.
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 4:42 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
1447 posts
Mar 09, 2008
4:40 PM
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George,
Your stance is one that will get you further than any of these other guys!.. The bird is very odd indeed.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Scott
178 posts
Mar 09, 2008
4:43 PM
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Man there is some bad advise being given on this topic, FLY THEM HARD , there is no other way , stocking a bird because of the color or family or even the pair it is out of is nothing more than a lame excuse to stock a bird.
There isn't a pair of birds out there that doesn't throw birds that should never see the stock loft.
The more culls you breed and let take up perch space the more they will hold back the good one's.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 4:47 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
1448 posts
Mar 09, 2008
4:45 PM
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Hey Scott,
As they say, its their feed, and their time...I say let em' breed all they can from unflown birds!..makes our job easier.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Scott
179 posts
Mar 09, 2008
4:51 PM
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Jerry, I don't care what "they" do,it is just bad advise for the new guys, even out of the best of pairs a small percentage is worth stocking.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Mount Airy Lofts
544 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:04 PM
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Scott,
Would a stock bird for the foster loft still be considered a bad idea? The foster loft is a whole different story if you asked me. I think having a mosaic in the foster loft is one hella of a good idea.
Oh, believe or not, even the UK fliers are breeding Mosaics.
Bred by Pete Handy - World Cup Champion
Enjoy,
Thor
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It's all about the friends we make :)
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Missouri-Flyer
1449 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:11 PM
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Thor,
If you mean to use it as a foster in the foster loft, then yea, that would be a good place..It doesnt matter what a foster bird looks like, flys like, is bred like, as long as it feeds the young.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Mount Airy Lofts
545 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:33 PM
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Yes, that is what I mean. I myself like having Mottles in the foster loft. Many times they are birds that can roll with the best of them but lack any kitting skill possible. A good feeder is all one needs to make it to the foster loft.
Thor
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It's all about the friends we make :)
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Scott
180 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:38 PM
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Thor, foster loft makes no difference of coarse, nor does these guys breeding such birds for giggles.
The jist of my post is stocking just because it is this or that or because it came out of a decent pair.
If I had a real odd one I just might throw it in the foster loft to look at it, or I might just treat it as any bird and fly the crap out of it,but would I stock it just because ? never.
But then I run a tight program, I don't breed birds just to breed, my perches are valuable and my stock loft is built on careful selection, the goal is to get some sort of consistancy and not hit all over the board.
like I said the jist of my post was to inform the new guys that selection for stock is critical and shouldn't be done hap hazardly,
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Mount Airy Lofts
546 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:45 PM
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Gotta cha Scott. Flying is the best part of this hobby - well until the BOP or an over fly wipes you out :(
Thor
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It's all about the friends we make :)
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Hector Coya
13 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:22 PM
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If you cant get good offspring from a bird you bred from your best pair,without flying it , YOU GOT THE WRONG FAMILY..
Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:22 PM
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Scott
186 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:40 PM
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Yep, if only it was that easy
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Hector Coya
14 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:47 PM
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A few years back, one of my last original Bob Scott cocks died,he left 2 young in the nest,the hen finished raising them.I flew the hen and lost her to the Hawk's.the cock never left the stock loft. till this day that cock has produced some of the best rollers ive ever seen and anyone that has seen them thinks that too.
the old cock was out of the 1220 line.now if you cant put away a cock out of your best cock that just died ,like i said,,,YOU GOT THE WRONG FRAMILY,,,, IT really is that easy.
Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:48 PM
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Scott
191 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:59 PM
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Well I have the wrong family then,I'm surprised that I havnt seen you name at the top of the fly sheets.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 7:00 PM
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Hector Coya
17 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:09 PM
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Ive only been competing the last 3 year's give it time you will,I hope, LOL
Hector Coya
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Scott
192 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:12 PM
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Good deal, hope to see you there !!!
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Hector Coya
18 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:19 PM
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Scott,the point of my coment was,that if i whould have flown the last son out of my bird that died,i probably whould have lost it to the BOP like the nestmate.thats why he never left the stock loft,sometimes theres a special bird, you just have to make sure you keep the family line going.Hector Coya
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George R.
321 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:23 PM
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Hector in that case I agree with you , if it,s the last one you dont have a choice.
Im glad to hear it worked out well for you.
George
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Scott
195 posts
Mar 09, 2008
9:28 PM
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Hector, I know where you are coming from on that with that,and if I had to grab some out of the nest there are certainly particular pairs that I would feel more comfortable doing it with.
But sure aint the way to do it, just last year I was thinking about this same exact thing , I got one youngster off of one of my old foundation hen, decided it was going into the kitbox since I had plenty in stock off of her.
I ended up having to cull it as it just couldn't hold the wt under the stress of flying and the kitbox, now if I would have thrown her in stock where there is all you can eat feed I would have never pegged her as a cull.
Sure you can get lucky here and there,and I have done it myself, but it isn't the way to do it and you will "NOT" make it to the top of the fly sheets by depending on stock coming from unflown birds or wasting your time on color projects, the only way you make it is by not taking the eye off of the ball.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Hector Coya
19 posts
Mar 09, 2008
9:47 PM
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Scott i see where your coming from,i also prefer to pick my stock out of the air,
Did you know Richard jaconnett didnt fly his birds for the last few years and still stocked out of his stock loft?
His birds are still talked about so its not that bad,If a good pair can produce a cull,what makes you think that a cull out of a good pair cant produce you a champ,It can happen.
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