WaTtS UpP
417 posts
Mar 15, 2008
3:30 PM
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WHATS UP MR.GOMEZ HOWS IT GOING
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Watts uppp homeboy
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ezeedad
371 posts
Mar 15, 2008
3:33 PM
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Hey Nick... That sure was fast... Did you read my post..??
Check it out... Gomez
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WaTtS UpP
419 posts
Mar 15, 2008
3:56 PM
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THATS A COOL POST GOMEZ NICE JOB
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Watts uppp homeboy
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ezeedad
372 posts
Mar 15, 2008
4:00 PM
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Thanks Nick,
I'm thinking seriously about getting a few of those flying Orientals now... There is a link the site where they have a lot of other good info.
Gomez
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WaTtS UpP
422 posts
Mar 15, 2008
4:11 PM
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WHERES THE SITE AT GOMEZ I WANNA SEE HOW THEY LOOK
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Watts uppp homeboy
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kcfirl
365 posts
Mar 15, 2008
5:17 PM
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Hi guys,
I've signed up to the FORS group for a few months now. That post by Paul seems to be stretching the truth, that's for sure. Most of the serious FOR guys lauch at it.
I think the OR's can certainly fly stronger than the BR - because they have not been refined to the single purpose as our birds have. But to think that they can protect your rollers is pure hogwash.
Ken Firl
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spanky
382 posts
Mar 15, 2008
5:34 PM
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THAT IS CRAZY, THANKS EZEEDAD
SPANKY
SGVS
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Snake Doctor
226 posts
Mar 15, 2008
5:48 PM
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Hey Guys,
DonB and I went down to Paul's on Thursday to see his birds fly.
I'll have to say I was very sckeptical, he was going to have to show me that the ORs could do what he claimed.
Well, it ain't braggin if you can do it. His birds did! The birds flew very, very well rolling frequently and some 30 to 40 ft as well as other aerial maneuvers. After he flew the ORs he put up BRs, Gallatis and Fireballs. We flew from approx 11:00 A.M. till 4:00 P.M.
Don and I got so involved we forgot all about lunch.
During the course of the day there were no less than 9 different hawks on the scene. They made no effort to pursue the birds. There was even a Kite who flew into the airspace.
Once or twice I thought that the Hawks were trying to position for an ambush but seemed to loose interest.
The pigeons were rubbing it in the BOPs face all afternoon.
I don't have any other answer as to why the birds were not attacked other than it is as Paul says, the hawks have learned they can't catch them.
I have appologized to Paul for being a doubting Thomas, (note: Gideon was a doubter too but we have made a folk hero out of him.)
Give me a couple of weeks to settle the birds in and I'll let you know how the ORs educate BOPs here in southwest Georgia.
To top off an already great day, I came home with a hawk kit. I am convinced that fly the hawk kit and conditioning the BOPs that they can't get them will help keep my young Rubys safe.
Thanks Paul! Seeing is believing.
SD
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"Semper Fi"
SD
Last Edited by on Mar 15, 2008 5:56 PM
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Snake Doctor
228 posts
Mar 15, 2008
6:05 PM
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Bertie,
I don't doubt that some would say that, I did not believe it either untill Thursday.
I don't fool easy, I've been to the show and I've seen the elephant. I found Paul to be the epitome of honesty and credibility.
I don't know about anyone else who flys ORs or about their birds, Paul Sisk's birds made a believer out of me.
Bottom line, he is a man of his word! That still means something here.
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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elopez
804 posts
Mar 15, 2008
6:07 PM
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Very interesting, have a bad bop issue at my house. Willing to try this out.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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ezeedad
373 posts
Mar 15, 2008
6:23 PM
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Snake,
Thanks for the personal experience account. With all the BOPs out there we're going to have to try whatever we can. Plus, Orientals seem interesting too.
Here is a picture.. someone says they don''t know what they look like... This one is an unusual color tho... Paul Gomez
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Snake Doctor
229 posts
Mar 15, 2008
6:25 PM
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All I can tell you is what I saw. Paul did tell us that there are Orientals bred for show that do not perform like the Flying Orientals. I do know some guys have been scammed with BRs and Fireballs that were supposed to have the stuff but were in no way a credit to their breed. If I were going to buy Orientals I'd make sure I saw them do there thing. There are some folks who would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stay on the ground and tell the truth!
As I said I didn't believe either untill I saw it.
At first the hawks would tree sit about 150 to 200 yards away and I thought OK, the birds are not really in their space, then dogged if the hawks didn't fly right into where the rollers were flying but they did not attack. In one kit there were a couple of young birds that skyed out but soon came back to the kit and resumed flying.
I'll try the hawk kit in a few weeks and see if they can do the same thing here. I have BOPs year round.
By the way Bertie, Man! you got a way with a camera!
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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Snake Doctor
230 posts
Mar 15, 2008
6:28 PM
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Paul had some like that one, I'm no good when it comes to calling colors. The kit he flew for us were recessive Reds from his barred family. But he had some whites, Almond, and Ember if I remember right.
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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ezeedad
374 posts
Mar 15, 2008
6:29 PM
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Nick,
I guess that was you that wanted to see them.
The web address is there...at the beginning of the article. just highlite it, copy it, paste it on your browser, and go to it. They have lots of pictures.
Gomez
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ezeedad
375 posts
Mar 15, 2008
6:39 PM
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Ken.,
Well, they're just supposed to frustrate the hawks by being so hard to catch that the predators will give up and go to where there are easier pickings. I've heard this before, but this article seemed to explain it pretty well.
The guy flies Birminghams and Galati rollers too. Maybe I'll be selling you a few of them someday.. LOL... But really.. I think it is worth a try.
Thw other Paul..(Gomez)
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WaTtS UpP
429 posts
Mar 15, 2008
6:40 PM
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are they expensive sshhhhh it would hurt to have a new bloodline of birds that would out run the b.o.p
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Watts uppp homeboy
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sippi
133 posts
Mar 15, 2008
6:47 PM
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A couple of points I will add. I am Paul Sisk and I wrote the article. I have not given my permission for its use but dont care if it is used as long as my name is on the byline because I have written enough over the years that I will probably write a book sometimes. Alan may have and that is quite okay since I wrote the article specifically for him. I have since expanded the article to include the most memorable hawk attacks. I get hit daily during migration.
Ken Firl you didnt answer my PM so I figured you didnt want any birds and replaced your name on the list. If you didnt get it I apologize. I will send it again so that you can join the ranks of the enlightened if you wish.
Bertie I dont sell but very few birds or at least havent yet. I will this year because we have started up the defunct Flying Oriental Roller Society again. So you have either misquoted, misunderstood, or flat misrepresented the facts about the "GUY" that wrote the article. Tag yourself with the one you want to be because those are the only choices. Which ever is irrelevant to me. All my past birds have gone to the club auctions of which I always add an extra pair if I have them or have been traded to people that want them. I would always rather trade for a performing breed than sell them. I have even traded for birds I didnt really want to keep the cost to newcomers down and they send thiers first so they dont have to incurr the expense of sending me a box if they have one.
To all the unbelievers I was once quoted in something I wrote and I dont even remember what I was writing about. That "half the people think we have miracle birds and the other half think we are liars." To the second half you all remind me of a saying we had in the construction industry. "We the willing, led by the unknowing, will do the impossible, for the ungrateful, with absolutely nothing." You guys that are led around with closed minds are the unknowing and the ungrateful just in case you have trouble figuring out who you are.
Also for those of you that think you want to get FOR's re-read every word that wrote. Then read it again. They arent miracle birds. I have bred Orientals for many years and I have had several eaten and several chase away on overflies. There are a lot of strains out there that cant do the things that I have done with mine. I have four strains myself and only fly two against hawks.
For everybody I left out in this post you have a very lovely evening. I usually have to say that I read so and so. This time I can say I know because I did so and so.
And for the guys that would like to compete with the birds. The Hawk Kit I gave Roy rolled 204 times in twenty minutes and still managed to get thirty and forty feet deep. You do the math.
Sippi
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sippi
134 posts
Mar 15, 2008
6:59 PM
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Boy there was a lot of posts while I was writing that. The Bird in the pic is of the Husband Tuff and Buff family named so by Dale Husband. The "Godfather" of Orientals.
Eezedad just in case you didnt notice your name I didnt single you out because unlike a lot of people I believe when you wrote that you had permission to use the article I figured you got it from Alan and not me and it was an honest mistake. Besides I am not offended by any of the posts. Everyone has a right to thier opinion and I respect that.
For those that would like more info PM me and I will send you to places where other info is available. I respect Tony and his posting polocies and will not knowingly violate them.
Sippi
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PR_rollers
676 posts
Mar 15, 2008
7:17 PM
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Hey Sippi well said,,from what I read here I have a lot of respect for what Paul Ezeedad have to say on here.Like you said these are not miracle birds but you use them for a reason and they are bred for that. it help you and thats what matters .from reading between the lines i can tell a honest person from a con..so Sippi thanks for you post response.
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Ralph....
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ezeedad
376 posts
Mar 15, 2008
7:33 PM
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Paul S.,
Yes I did get the permission from Alan...Guess I should have been more observant. Here is our correspondence:
Hi.
I would like to share your advice about how you fly Orientals with Birminghams to help them escape hawks. Do you mind if I post your article on Roller-pigeon.com. ? It might help the hobby.
Paul Gomez
Paul,
Sure, go for it!
Alan
I'm pretty amazed that you're the guy..
Paul Gomez
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sippi
136 posts
Mar 15, 2008
7:42 PM
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As near as I can tell I am still me. I dont use Paul because there are too many of us. Alan and I are good friends and we have the same families of Orientals. And as I said before I take your word at face value. You didnt need to prove it to me. I didnt even start to post a reply until I read further down the page and I really hate to be misquoted. I didnt want you to be offended either because I didnt single you out or because I may have offended you for an honest mistake. Alan uses my writings all the time. No problem.
Sippi
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sippi
137 posts
Mar 15, 2008
7:56 PM
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Bertie let me clear the air real quick. I bear no malice what so ever for any thing that was posted. You and I have no problem of any kind. In case you havent noticed I write a lot of times with tongue in cheek. But you do fall into the ranks of the unknowing and the misinformed. You emailed me about the abilities of FOR's. I am one of the Oriental breeders that you spoke to therefore I was misquoted. I will also respond to your questions and be as helpful to you as I can unless you ask me not to. And I am not certainly not saying you did it intentionally. I have hurt the sales of the unscroupulous feather merchants with my writings. I will call a spade a spade and I really hate for newbies to the breed to get scammed and then declare the breed is no good. It is tantamount to me saying that Birmingham rollers arent any good because I bought some that wont roll. I could probably name you a list of people you talked to. I know you were quoting the truth as you heard it because I have been told the same thing by the same feather merchants that want 150-200 dollars a pair for trash. That is a ridiculous price to ask for a bird that may become a meal the first time you turn it out. I was probably the only person that told you the truth about the birds. And some of the people you talked to probably were being honest also. Misinformed is not untruthful.
As I said we have no problem what ever in my mind.
Sippi
Last Edited by on Mar 15, 2008 8:04 PM
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ezeedad
377 posts
Mar 15, 2008
8:04 PM
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Sippi,
I wasn't offended.. Thanks for being considerate. Your writing has both the ring of truth and understanding. I had already printed out an application for membership in the Flying Oriental Roller Society. This coincidence has been enough to make me give it a try.
Gomez
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sippi
138 posts
Mar 15, 2008
8:40 PM
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I was going to drop it but I was in the shower and got to giggling about the post and remembered I had not singled out Snake Doctor. Now first off I will say that I now consider Snake Doctor my friend. Before Thursday we we aquaintences. Now I have another friend in the Hobby. But Roy misquoted also. He just misquoted himself. He didnt really tell y'all what he really said and to me and I hope y'all enjoy it as much as I did. And he even said it to my face. HEHEHEHEHEHe. He said that and I am almost quoting, (had to clarify that Roy so you cant come back on me for misquoting) That he came down with a chip on his shoulder and he figured I was either brain damaged or seriously inflating my birds. End almost quote. Almost quotes dont get quotations. I hope y'all enjoyed this quote as much as I. I find myself giggling every time I think of it.
Every body have a nice night I am gone.
Sippi
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PR_rollers
680 posts
Mar 15, 2008
8:49 PM
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Hey Sippi the way you hurt the feather merchants you did some justice for the rookie and non rookie .no brain damage there to me..lol... If you want add another friend to the hobby .the name is Ralph from PR.. peace...
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Ralph....
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Alan Bliven
380 posts
Mar 15, 2008
9:35 PM
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I am the owner of the site and did give Eezedad permission to post it. I knew it would be OK with Sippi
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Alan
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WaTtS UpP
434 posts
Mar 15, 2008
11:21 PM
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hey gomez whats up hey ah lets see when are you going to invate me to see your family of birds fly ... ahaha...lol
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Watts uppp homeboy
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Snake Doctor
231 posts
Mar 16, 2008
5:53 PM
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Yep! Paul that is pretty much what I said. It is unusual for me to be that in your face and confrontational! LOL
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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kcfirl
370 posts
Mar 16, 2008
8:17 PM
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Paul,
I gave up trying to get good flying OR's. IF you're OR's can outfly a hawk - fantastic - more power to you. I would love to see it someday, until then, I remain an optimistic skeptic.
Regards,
Ken Firl
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kcfirl
371 posts
Mar 16, 2008
8:19 PM
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Paul,
I have never received a private email from you.
This statement in your previous post in your thread pretty well sums it up for me:
"204 times in twenty minutes and still managed to get thirty and forty feet deep. You do the math."
Regards,
Ken Firl
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ezeedad
384 posts
Mar 16, 2008
8:24 PM
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Sippi,
You know that I'm going to give the Flying Orientals a try. Got to see for myself. I was wondering about what Ken has just posted.. I assumed you meant that there were 204 individual rolls in 20 minutes...
Gomez
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Snake Doctor
232 posts
Mar 17, 2008
6:50 AM
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EZ
The regs for the OR honor flys are a little different than for the BRs so that is what I counted, the individual birds rolling, there is one bird who was responsible for most of the deep rolls although the other 2 rolled respectibly. They are active little boogers. I know I missed some in the beginning, I was looking for rolling like the BRs do, the ORs sometimes roll once or twice so quickly that it's over before you know it.
SD
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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