kopetsa
403 posts
Mar 17, 2008
2:34 PM
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I will be letting my birds out this Saturday (March 22). How long will I have to wait until they perform; seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, milleniums...lol When will I be able to see what I have that is good, if any even are at all!
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Andrew
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bertie
62 posts
Mar 17, 2008
2:50 PM
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Well this is my second time around with rollers but I would tell you( not really knowing what I'm talking about)don't scare them to make them fly. If they take off fine but let them get use to the area and your loft by just sitting on it. When they decided to take off and fly you will see some rolling. That is if they aren't really young. Then it would take longer for them to develop.
Bert
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Edgar
90 posts
Mar 17, 2008
2:56 PM
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I all depends of the line or lines you are breeding some come in faster than others.edgar
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spinner jim
246 posts
Mar 17, 2008
3:25 PM
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Andrew, if you are trying to break new birds let em sit it out the first time out,have them hungry and looking for food,i never force them up early on ,good luck i hope you break them all without loosing any,jim uk.
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Oldfart
535 posts
Mar 17, 2008
4:13 PM
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Only the "Shadow Knows", dates me, for sure! You might want to run them through your trap system a few times, but everyone is exactly right. Let them fly at their own pace to start, no flagging. They will, rise as a kit in their own time. Now the fun starts! Depending on your objectives, you will have to decide who stays and who goes. I would say this, give them time, to settle, roll, develop, each family will take a varying amount of time to develope. Like owning stocks, time is required for profit. ;-)
Thom
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quickspin
459 posts
Mar 17, 2008
4:53 PM
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Andrew the stock that you are using was bred by you or by some one else? If you purchase the stock did you ask this question to the breeder?
I have some birds that come into the roll from 2-12 months and then I pick the early ones that came in to the roll and breed with a none early developer to make them come in between the two. Some times if you breed to early developers they will not handle the roll and roll down.
That is why it's your job now to take notes on when were they born and when was the first time they did a flip and there first time they did a roll. So when is time to breed you know what you will get from the offspring.
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SALAS LOFT
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1391 posts
Mar 17, 2008
5:45 PM
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No action more than 8 months cullem............
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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sundance
563 posts
Mar 17, 2008
6:21 PM
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short ,simple, and to the point Rudy. As some of our UK brothers say, that advise was "spot on". Good advise Rudy, I mean Mate. LOL
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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Mount Airy Lofts
563 posts
Mar 17, 2008
10:31 PM
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If they have all ready been thru the molt, then I'd say about 3 weeks to 1 month of hard flying. If they are young and have not filled into their adult body yet... then I would say on a average 6 months of hard flying.
On a side note, my best and most stable rollers come in after a year. If you have the room, fly them out - regardless. I have the space over here, breeding only about 30 birds a year.
Hard flying to me means at least 2 times a day and or equal to 3 hours of air time.
Personally I don't think a bird which was never flown before it molts will ever roll up to the quality it would if flown out right. Same goes for a stock bird that was stocked early and returned to the kit box after a long lay off (2 years plus).
Thor
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It's all about the friends we make :)
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quickspin
460 posts
Mar 18, 2008
12:12 AM
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I will not cull a bird that takes more time to come in to the roll. Why because one of my best birds took 10 months to come in to the roll. I try to cull the bird I release the bird over 50 miles a way and always manage to come back. He kit with the birds always and so I kept him. He has produce some real nice birds that come into the roll early because I bred him with a hen that came at 3 months old. The offspring has been coming in to the roll from 2-4 months.
Andrew is begining so he needs to know what he has, he could easy be giving a way one of his best birds. Now if that bird is no good I will not even breed that pair any more. But if the offspring is excellent but comes in late he needs to change the pair. Or breed the offspring to one that came in early and this will fix the problem. We can't be sucess over night and this takes time.
My line of birds do come in early because I breed them that way. I had some Smith birds 1375 that came in almost at 9-11 months but were excellent spiners even some certified. I have 3 left out of this line that do take more time to come. But are worth waiting the time. Ron Dent has the original line from my Smith birds 1375.
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SALAS LOFT
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quickspin
461 posts
Mar 18, 2008
12:25 AM
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The smith bird that I had took them 8-9 months to flip and in less than 1 month were in the 50 feet. Ones they started to flip they will come in to the roll fast.
This were good to breed with birds that came in to the roll early because were strong birds. They will last easy more than 10 years flying and spinning compare to many that will not last 1 year because the next year are roll downs. But how it's with the bop we just need to lock down in October-April so we don't loose them.
I still have a 1993 Smith bird that is the only one left and can still fertile. How many birds can fertile at this age? not many. That is what they have are very strong.
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SALAS LOFT
Last Edited by on Mar 18, 2008 12:28 AM
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