victor1967
38 posts
Mar 22, 2008
6:23 PM
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who makes the better feeding parent cock or hen?at how many days after the eggs have been hatch can you take away the weaker feeding parent?in hopes of mating the weaker feeder.more babies from the same parents is my goal.
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sippi
156 posts
Mar 22, 2008
6:51 PM
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The cock is normally the better feeder. But you would be better to foster the eggs. The hen is likely to lay again before you could get her paired up and remated. The will, most of the time finish raising his young but it is a gamble every time the first time.
Sippi
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sundance
581 posts
Mar 22, 2008
7:01 PM
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Hey Victor, it sounds like you need to try fostering the eggs from the pair you want to get more babies from.Some guys use an old pair for pumpers , while others just pick some birds that otherwise would be culls. Still others use anouther breed like homers.
Either way you go, you need both pairs, the breeders and the fosters to lay at about the same time. Withen a day or so from each other. then switch the eggs. 10 days later your good pair will lay again.Walah, more babies from the same parents.
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Sundance Roller Lofts
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Velo99
1629 posts
Mar 23, 2008
6:06 AM
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Vic,
One question before I go on. Do you intend to pull a parent? That is not a proper thing to do. Leave both in the nest. New babies require 24/7 care.
The cockbird is usually the better feeder because of the instinctual way they care for their chicks. The cock bird sits starting usually midmorning. He`ll sit until around 4:00-5:00,when the hen takes over and sits until the following morning.I my loft this is usually when the hen lays the egg,shortly after she returns to the nest.
As in humans the hen has special nutritional requirements because she lays the eggs. She requires more protien minerals and vitamins to properly flesh out the yolk sac and form the shell of the egg. She has to work a little harder to find the nutrients required, so she gets longer to forage for food.
The cockbird is larger and has a bigger crop. Thats why he is a better feeder and stays on the nest during the day. His nutritional requirements aren`t as stringent as the hen so he can forage faster and return to the nest sooner than the hen.
To raise more birds from the same pair(s),use fosters. It is really pretty simple. Put all of the breeders and fosters pairs together at the same time.When thay all have laid a clutch of eggs, discard them at the same time. 7-10 days they all lay again within the proper time limits.Throw away all the foster eggs. Switch eggs.10 days later do it again. Afetr you run a foster for a few rounds it gets easier. You`ll figure out how to run a few shortcuts and not have as many pairs of fosters. For now just follow this method and you cant go wrong.
One tidbit. If you are timing a new pair of fosters to a breeder pair, pair the fosters at 14 days after the eggs hatch. Normally pairs breed again at 14-16 days. Check out your pairs and you can get a better idea.
I hope you find this information useful as it is all a bunch of bs I just made up!
Just kidding.
yits
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V99
Keep the best. Eat the rest.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1418 posts
Mar 23, 2008
7:32 AM
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The cock the better feeder...for sure...............
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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victor1967
39 posts
Mar 23, 2008
9:08 AM
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i have 12 hens&6 cocks.6 pairs are together.how long after there eggs hatch can i take one hen away for the other hen or thats not a good ideal.i want to separate all birds before putting them back together.how long would be a long enough seperation
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c robbo
233 posts
Mar 23, 2008
9:24 AM
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victor are ya birds bad or somethink.if i was you id nip the young of the pair.thay will turn out runts and the runts are carryers.
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Velo99
1631 posts
Mar 23, 2008
12:46 PM
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Vic,
You`re talking about a polygamous system
it has been discussed at some length before. Check it out on the RPDC search engine.
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V99
Keep the best. Eat the rest.
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quickspin
475 posts
Mar 23, 2008
5:08 PM
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i have 12 hens&6 cocks.6 pairs are together.how long after there eggs hatch can i take one hen away for the other hen or thats not a good ideal.i want to separate all birds before putting them back together.how long would be a long enough seperation
Victor,
When you put a pair together to breed you have to leave the pair alone in till the squeakers can eat by them self, that is around 3 weeks after they hatch. You can't take one of the pairs and split them up ones they hatch the eggs. So you can take the cock to breed it with another hen if that is what you trying to do. This will not work and the squeakers will die. Use foster parents if you want to breed more. Or buy 6 more cocks so you don't have to split the other complete pairs. You need to breed a couple rounds from one pair to really know what they can produce. If you only breed one round and you loose both of them you have to put again the pair and lost a lot of your time.
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SALAS LOFT
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