Hector Coya
55 posts
Mar 23, 2008
9:16 AM
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This is my first young from a hen i got from a friend of mine,she has a smaller peak,
Ill take credit for this,ill be like many other that take credit for someone elses work,LOL
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Hector Coya
56 posts
Mar 23, 2008
9:17 AM
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washington86
347 posts
Mar 23, 2008
11:46 AM
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Very Nice looking baby Hector. I haven't seen a front head crested roller before.
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-mannyfresh- spins
4 posts
Mar 23, 2008
12:15 PM
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Man dats awesome...I been wanting ª crested roller 4 ª while...but I want one dat has ª whole complete crest..kinda like ª mohawk...if ? ever breed one like dat hit me up..ill buy it from you....but ? have ª sweet lil squab...good luk wit it...peace...
^_*
-mannyfresh-
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Hector Coya
57 posts
Mar 23, 2008
1:27 PM
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This is my first,im sure ill get more,
The mother is the one that careis it, im going to mate her with a crest later and see what i get.
Hector coya
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spanky
392 posts
Mar 23, 2008
4:56 PM
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WAS UP HECTOR NICE LOOKING BIRD.
SPANKY
SGVS
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Mount Airy Lofts
582 posts
Mar 23, 2008
5:14 PM
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That is some crazy looking squeeker. Not my thing but good luck with that endeavor.
Thanks for sharing,
Thor
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PR_rollers
713 posts
Mar 23, 2008
6:27 PM
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lol @ Thor,,why is it a krazy looking bird, that bird was born with a crown ,which makes it one of the most highest... bow before that squab.lol...
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Ralph....
Last Edited by on Mar 23, 2008 6:27 PM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1420 posts
Mar 23, 2008
6:45 PM
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Nice looking crown.......Coya...........
rollers are the king of pigeons..............lol
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Santandercol
2218 posts
Mar 23, 2008
9:22 PM
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Hec,Show us that bird in a few weeks.Very cool.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Hector Coya
59 posts
Mar 23, 2008
9:30 PM
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Im going to fly it ,and if it rolls good and its a cock,ill mate it back to the mother.
Hector Coya
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1422 posts
Mar 24, 2008
10:19 AM
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hEY COYA IS THE COCK OR HEN CRESTED ???
YThe parent of this squeker>>??
U have a pic ?
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Hector Coya
60 posts
Mar 24, 2008
3:07 PM
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Hey Rudy
The mother has the same thing in the front,i got her from a friend of mine,he bred her and gave her to me becouse he knew i was working with the crest,she only has a few feathers going the wrong way but with this first one i can see im going to get some real nice once.Hector Coya
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c robbo
241 posts
Mar 24, 2008
3:17 PM
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the crests i breed. the crest is on the back of the head not the forhead.when i get time i post some photos of my crests.
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Hector Coya
61 posts
Mar 24, 2008
3:56 PM
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C Robbo
where do you live,and how did you get crest,what family?
Hector C
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c robbo
243 posts
Mar 24, 2008
4:20 PM
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im from england, i get crests from in breeding. i think if u inbreed to close u get a falts with ya pigeon like growsed leg crest frilly crop .just my apinion.
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henry135
92 posts
Mar 24, 2008
7:37 PM
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nice one hector i just got two crest babys from your hen i lost one very upset but more will come.
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HENRY
L.P.R.C
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PR_rollers
716 posts
Mar 24, 2008
8:35 PM
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C Robbo interesting ,I just finish reading a chapter from the book The Aerial Performance of the Birmingham Roller by Cornell L.Norwood,and its says "Qoute" Inbreeding will invite degeneration.Degeneration is literally defined as a return to a natural state.usually one of a lower order..
So I bet breeders that inbreed a lot have birds that pop up with these traits but don't say nothing about it.hmmm you never know what goes on behind close doors.. so I think your opinion might be right on the money..thats just my opinion..
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Ralph....
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Hector Coya
62 posts
Mar 24, 2008
8:40 PM
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Wow Robbo,
You meen to tell me they have crest rollers in England?
We have guys here in the USA that know it all, theyve been telling me that the crest was somthing we made here by crossing, thank you. these guys are so good they can tell a bird by the picture LOL.
I alway said it was from inbreeding,
Post some pictures if you can . thanks Hector Coya
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Mongrel Lofts
554 posts
Mar 24, 2008
8:45 PM
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I don't think so! I have inbred 10 generations of full brother and sister.. I got some weak birds vigor wise, but no crest, front of back. No fan tails or Milky Mookies.. I think maybe if you inbreed certian birds carrying these traits you will surely increase your chances of making more. Inbreeding doesn't cause anything, it only uncovers what has been hidden within any strain.. Inbreeding is not the cause, it is the uncover!!! Just my opinion,, KGB
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Hector Coya
63 posts
Mar 24, 2008
8:51 PM
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Ill give you my opinion,In 1982,one of my first birds from Bob Scott,started producing double toes in the back of theree feet,both feet.,insted of one toe, did you ever see that?
i had about 7 out of this pair,i finalyy broke them up and i never saw it again, it was something that brought it out when they where mated together.neither bird produced 2 toes ever again. that was inbreeding.Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2008 8:53 PM
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Mongrel Lofts
555 posts
Mar 25, 2008
2:15 PM
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Hector,
with in my family, You can't mate a pair that you would not consider inbred or highly line bred.. I mean even if you go back generations you will find the same birds used again and again. I do have a recessive gene that pops up for web toes. If your birds have a recessive gene for two back toes and you mate two of them together, you will get two back toes I guess.. If you have birds that have crested rollers with tuffs in the front in the background, when you mate a pairing up both carrying that gene, you will get them I suspect. None of the Birmingham rollers I have been around seam to carry these genes. I can't figure out how they seam to always pop up in the same area's and in the lofts of those who are looking for them. It's the same with dilute or Yellow. Guys will try to say they got a yellow off my birds but when you get to talking to them, they have had yellows and bred them in their lofts for years. They are looking for yellows. So they get your birds in a year or two, they are breeding yellows out of your birds and they just popped up pure, out of your family! Sure they did! LOL Hector, I will let you come over here, look at the peds to see who is the most inbred, mate them up, and I can a assure you, no crest, odd rare colors, or other traits from other breeds. These birds have been bred as Birmingham rollers long enough, that those traits from other breeds just don't pop up. No matter what you do, inbreeding will not create a new trait, it will only uncover the traits the lie dormant within your family. Inbreeding doesn't create, it uncovers traits that have been swept under the carpet by those who cross and create. Inbreeding is a way to purify, select out and do away with bad traits. It is not the road to creating new traits. Those come from add other breeds and Traits,, then when you find them, inbreed and line breed for those traits that have been added.. If added then buried, it may pop up one day if a guy starts to inbreed. Not because of the inbreeding, but because of the cross or trait that was buried in the line. Inbreeding just uncovers that trait and then some guys think it was created or mutated. It was just a latent recessive trait waiting to be uncovered, not created! OK, I've said this enough ways! lol Thanks for the Chat Hector.. Remember you never have to agree with me to be my friend. We all have opinions. I have just shared mine with you. You shared yours with me. It just makes for good discussion. Thanks for the Chat.. KGB
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c robbo
245 posts
Mar 25, 2008
3:05 PM
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at the end of the day its a falt.
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Hector Coya
64 posts
Mar 25, 2008
3:17 PM
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I agree with you Kenny,Its not that the crest poped up at my loft,i acuired them from where ever i heard someone had one,ill tell you theres a few back east that got crest they just dont want to ship them or i whould have got them.
Its just a little somthing to play with,im not going to put crest to my Bob scott birds,Bob whould roll over in his grave,LOL, He whould shit if he knew i even had them .
The once i got i never questioned the person,i took their word,thats all i could do. but i did fly them,and they did roll to my saticefaction so i think thats all that matters.
Chat with you later Kenny.
Hector Coya
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ezeedad
412 posts
Mar 25, 2008
5:32 PM
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Funny thing here with pigeons... It seems that the original wild birds didn't have unusual colors, or muffs of crests..they didn't roll on the ground or in the air. They didn't blow up their crops the size of a grapefruit or have curly feathers on their backs. They didn't have fantails, or hoods around their heads. No short tiny little beaks or extreme eye cere. They didn't have long stilt legs nor could they race back 2,000 miles like todays homers.
So why is it that every time something a little different shows up, to whatever undeveloped degree, it has to have come as result of some sort of unwholesome activity?
Obviously, there will always be breeders who will key on some unusual trait and try to take it to another level. That is just the nature of curiosity and creativity. That is how there got to be so many strange and unusual breeds of pigeons in the first place.
Gomez
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DeepSpinLofts
434 posts
Mar 25, 2008
5:51 PM
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Hi Hector...
A very good friend of mines in Baltimore, Maryland was asking about some yellows pictured on Fernando's Built 4 Speed website. He thinks that us Northern California flyers know a lot about Southern California flyers birds (their business). I try to explan to him that its not even like that. Heck, I don't even know most of the Northern California flyers.
...well anyway
Can you tell me about these birds that Fernando says produce 40ft to 60ft rollers.
deepspinners@usa.com
NOTE: Since you are the president of SGVS your word is as good as GOLD with me.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Mar 25, 2008 6:57 PM
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George R.
422 posts
Mar 25, 2008
7:26 PM
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Paul
why is it that none of these breeders that Breed for some weird trait never fly a kit off thier oddball birds in a comp. and show the World that thier creation is worthy of being called a Roller ?
What I see is that some will fly 17 or 18 regular rollers and 1 or 2 oddball birds and when they score some points they say that was some crested muffs or Huge muffs or some Milky's or toy stencils , when in reality there was 1 or two oddballs in the kit.
And thats only if they Fly , which most Guys that have Oddball Birds usually never do .
Like Nick said , how about respecting the Breed for what it is instead of perpertrating a Fault or crossing them to another Breed to get some freaky Bird .
Last Edited by on Mar 25, 2008 7:29 PM
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Hector Coya
66 posts
Mar 25, 2008
8:41 PM
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George
I flew the W/C and F/F pree, 2 years ago ,and did ok. 288,and 198,i think i cant remember, i had 3 crest,2 andelucians,10 Bob Scott,and 5 Norm Reed's.I think if i had only 1 Crest in there it must be becouse it earned its spot in that team,i had 3 kits,oviously those 3 crest where part of my best 20 that week.
If im going to fly comp,im going to put my best 20 whouldnt you?
So if 3 are oddballs,If they roll whats the diference.
Hector Coya
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George R.
424 posts
Mar 25, 2008
9:02 PM
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Hector
like I said I have never seen or heard of a whole Kit of Oddballs .
when I had homers I once had a homer get out while my kit was flying and the Homer went into the kit and that did not stop the kit from rolling.
of course the Homer did not roll but he flew with the kit .
if I would have been in a kit comp could I have said I flew some homer(s).
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PR_rollers
733 posts
Mar 25, 2008
9:16 PM
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George you could had said that but everyone know homers don't roll. but these oddballs like you call them are rolling but like you said if two or three are in there and you say the whole team is made up of them,its a lie ,but the truth will come out when they all land..
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Ralph....
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George R.
425 posts
Mar 25, 2008
9:26 PM
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Ralph
I would like to see a whole kit of crested muff rollers or x tra large muffs or a whole kit of toy stencils fly as a kit.
I dont think that will ever happen. A person would have to breed 500 of them Birds to get a kit of 20 that could fly .
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ICEMAN710
230 posts
Mar 26, 2008
2:23 AM
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Best of luck with them hector and good luck with the season.
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Gary
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Hector Coya
68 posts
Mar 26, 2008
1:33 PM
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George,I finally got one more kit box,that makes 4,now im going to try and breed a kit of crest,but do you think the odds are even if im working with one kit,as someone els that has lets say 6 kit boxes with regular rollers? Think about that one LOL.
Hector Coya
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ezeedad
417 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:43 PM
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Hers's an unusual color I flew in the California Classic in 1994.. Hope you can read the comments... From the Roller Journal..
Last Edited by on Mar 26, 2008 6:54 PM
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elopez
852 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:26 PM
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Good Job Paul. What color is that bird?
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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silver tail
30 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:30 PM
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Whats up Efren D-roy is like a dilute red I have one but its a parlor next time your over I'll pull her out.
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elopez
853 posts
Mar 26, 2008
10:27 PM
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What up Silver. How's da birds? Hope da bop is leaving you alone.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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bman
567 posts
Mar 27, 2008
4:47 AM
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Deroy = (recessive red Almond)
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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ezeedad
420 posts
Mar 27, 2008
5:20 PM
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Efren,
That bird looked like yellow.. but wasn't really... had some gray smudging on it's back, etc.
When I went out to see the Classic birds, Chuck Zeller, who was the loft manager was showing them
to me and not knowing who bred the bird said, "Would you believe that somebody entered a yellow in
this competition?" He thought it was funny..!!
I told him that it was mine. Of course he was embarrased. We then handled the bird and
took a good look at it. I think he could see that she saw very strong and had a hell of an eye.
Looks like she might have been the "rollinest" bird in the competition.. Just didn't kit well..
Gomez
Last Edited by on Mar 27, 2008 5:23 PM
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elopez
866 posts
Mar 27, 2008
6:41 PM
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Thats funny. It will be even funnier if the Ca Classic gets going again and Hector enters one of his Crested Muffs and places real high...lol
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Hector Coya
72 posts
Mar 27, 2008
8:13 PM
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Hey Efren, Not all my Crest have muff's but i whould enter one if the Classic ever hapened.Hector Coya
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elopez
871 posts
Mar 27, 2008
10:07 PM
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I know Hector. I've seen the fire you have at your house many times. I hear we're ending the fly at your house. Hopefully I'll have a kit left by then...
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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WaTtS UpP
566 posts
Apr 15, 2008
10:32 PM
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WHATS UP HECTOR LETS SEE HOW THE FRONT KREST BIRD IS LOOKING UPDATE OUS
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Watts uppp homeboy
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rollsoffury
55 posts
Apr 16, 2008
3:17 PM
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Hey Hector show an updated pic. of that front crest squab.
I'm insterested on how its turning out.
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Roll it
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Hector Coya
93 posts
Apr 16, 2008
4:08 PM
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Hey Alex,I dont want to start more crap,come by and ill show you,Thanks Hector Coya
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rollsoffury
60 posts
Apr 16, 2008
4:45 PM
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Okay, I'll stop by sometime.
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Roll it
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0016
72 posts
Apr 17, 2008
5:46 PM
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Maybe whatever put in must come out at some time or another good,bad,colorful,etc.
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ezeedad
459 posts
Apr 17, 2008
5:58 PM
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Come on, Hector..!!
Post a picture of the bird so we can all see...
Gomez
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Santandercol
2312 posts
Apr 17, 2008
6:39 PM
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Yeah,c'mon Hec,fer all yer buddies here.Show us dude!!!We been waiting.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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