Deerrack
4 posts
Mar 25, 2008
5:22 AM
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A few years back I bought some Whitingham Rollers near Columbus, Ohio area. Does anyone still have this strain?
Unable to locate anyone or any information about this roller.
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Tony Chavarria
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2269 posts
Mar 25, 2008
6:19 AM
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Hey deerrack, goto the Fireball roller site: CLICK HERE
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Last Edited by on Mar 25, 2008 6:20 AM
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Fire_Baller_916
152 posts
Mar 25, 2008
9:34 AM
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Deerack, I still have the strain...
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Chai Seng (Cheng)
Raining_Fire_Loft
www.freewebs.com/raining_fire_loft
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 1:37 PM
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budharley
57 posts
Mar 26, 2008
5:17 AM
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Hi are there any fireball breeders in the uk
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crystalpalace
334 posts
Mar 26, 2008
11:03 AM
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Chan Grover moved from the East to California more than fourty years ago. He brought his stud of Whittingham rollers in many colors. The majority had white feathers and were very attractive. Chan Grover was a member of the California Birmingham Roller Club in the early nineteen eightees. All his Whittingham rollers were sold because they didnt posses the overal qualitees needed to compete in competition roller flying. They were sold to an Englishman livivng in the Sacremento area of California. Bill Pensom said the Fireball roller family had to many faults to compete in competition roller flying. I knew several roller fanciers breeding and flying the Fireball family. The majority were rolldowns and poor styled velosity rollers. Some members of the CBRC mated there Fireball rollers back to the Pensom family with better results. Once they purchased more Pensom stock they disposed of all Fireballs on the property. Mr. Graham wrote to me many years ago while living in Texas,USA. He said, he lost his best stock in Canada before moving to the United States of America. Ray Sanchez.
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kcfirl
390 posts
Mar 26, 2008
1:23 PM
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Marcus,
whoever wrote that didn't know what they were talking about.
Ask the Englishmen, the south Africans, and the Dutch how many of their birds are down from Pensom.
Who wrote it?
Ken firl
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ezeedad
413 posts
Mar 26, 2008
3:42 PM
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Right Ken,
It seems to me that someone is rewriting history here..
Here's an article I just got from Alan Blevin's site.
"Whittingham" By J.V. McAree (1948)
Twenty-five years ago, thirty five years ago and fifty years ago, the name of Whittingham was the best known in the world among Roller breeders. He sent birds from Wolverhampton, a suburb of Birmingham, as it might be called, to South Africa, to Australia, the United States, Canada, and wherever else Birmingham Rollers were bred. From about 1905 or 1906, I began importing from Whittingham generally a half dozen pairs a year and never a bad one. Then, in 1910, I was in England and saw a man well past 70 I should think. He had a small, low brick loft in the rear of his house and there were two or three pairs of birds in it. He told me then that the birds I had been buying for several years past had actually been bred by his son, William Whittingham, who lived in Worcester, but that he had been responsible for their description, having seen them fly. Two or three years later, Thomas Whittingham died, and with an interval of four or five years, when I was out of pigeons, I got birds from William Whittingham. Then he died and another Thomas, his son, sold me pigeons for several years. I could see no difference in spinning quality. Eight years ago, I imported some Roller Canaries from Thomas Whittingham, for he was quite a noted exhibitor of them, and I have not heard from him since. In the course of the war, I gave several young Canadian soldiers his address in Worcester, but I have not heard that any of them ever saw him. He must have been one of the greatest Roller masters who ever lived. I know it would have been impossible for me, year after year, to sell a half dozen pair of Rollers of the quality I had from him.
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Scott
290 posts
Mar 26, 2008
3:46 PM
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("Whittingham" By J.V. McAree (1948))
They are now as rare as hens teeth, why ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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ezeedad
416 posts
Mar 26, 2008
4:19 PM
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Seems something better came along..courtesy of Mr. Pensom. And since Pensom got birds from several different breeders in and around the Birmingham area, it would seem to me that there must have been several breeders at least the equal of Whittingham. But does this mean that there are no good Whittinghams or Fireballs? I know there's got to be some grest ones out there..
Tony,
You must be getting a pretty good handle on this... Are fireballs/Whittinghams still alive and well in the United States and Canada?
Gomez
Last Edited by on Mar 26, 2008 7:19 PM
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DeepSpinLofts
445 posts
Mar 26, 2008
4:41 PM
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Ken.... I'm fully aware that there are Englishmen, South Africans, Dutch, Saudi's, Greeks, Spainairds, Canadians, Egyptians, Turks, Nigerians, Brazilians, Italians, Mexicans, Chinese, Malaysians, Russians, Indians and others who's birds are not down from Pensom.
You seemed slightly discontent with a few of the elements of my passage, so I deleted an error in the topic which was my addition. I'm quite sure that Pensom heard of Whittinghams... and made a gregarious mistake that any one of us could have done unintentionally.
...well anyway
The general point I'm trying to drive home is that "Pensom claimed to have never heard of any member of the Whittingham family flying a kit of rollers."
Now I can't remember exactly where I had retrieved the data, however, I can reassure you that it's authentic in nature.... including my revised additions.
{P.S.} Don't destroy the messenger... just take in what part of the message you deem worthy of your precious time to read.
Talk to you later...
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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sippi
163 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:41 PM
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Whittinghams and Fireballs are alive and well. I have Fireballs and have friends with Whits.
Sippi
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trevsta65
267 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:26 PM
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marcus we here in australia dont go on about pensom like others do and im yet to meet anyone who says there birds are from pensom bloodlines we have a lot of other families of birds and most of them are birds from popular breeders from england etc. brown barrets shackleton harris lennehan mason etc etc and the later ones neilble and beiker .cheers trev
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DeepSpinLofts
447 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:52 PM
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Quite refreshing there matey`.
Cheers Trev.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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W@yne
1221 posts
Mar 26, 2008
10:42 PM
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I think the reason why Pensom is mentioned in America by the guys over there is because he was the guy who introduced quality birds direct from England to the US resulting in all American birds being traced back to pensom lines in one way or another.
Over in the UK i know of not one or any flyer that has birds direct from Pensom lines and i say this over and over again .
Pensom never gets mentioned with flyers over here and i think all the guys from the UK will vouch for me on this one.
What you have to remember is that when Pensom was around over here in the UK all those years back they where lots of flyers flying quality Birmingham Rollers also who dont owe Pensom for what they did with the cultivation of there own strain of Birmingham Rollers.
I agree Pensom was a very clever guy who took quality birds from an handful of guys from the UK and made the hobby grow tenfold around the world.
JMHO
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W@yne UK
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Last Edited by on Mar 26, 2008 10:59 PM
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Scott
294 posts
Mar 27, 2008
6:14 AM
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I agree Wayne, Pensom was just a channel from there to here, the common connection is the lofts that his birds came from.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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ezeedad
419 posts
Mar 27, 2008
6:41 AM
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"Pensom was a very clever guy who took quality birds from an handful of guys from the UK and made the hobby grow tenfold around the world."
Wayne,
Yes Wayne, Pensom was this... But he was much more too.
He explained the birds to the hobby in a way that has never been surpassed(MO). He had much respect... even awe, for those great English breeders that he got birds from.. but they respected him too.. That is why he could get some of the best rollers from them.
Gomez
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Fire_Baller_916
157 posts
Mar 27, 2008
9:18 AM
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Check put my site...www.freewebs.com/raining_fire_loft
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Chai Seng (Cheng)
Raining_Fire_Loft
NPRA
www.freewebs.com/raining_fire_loft
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