nicksiders
2633 posts
Mar 26, 2008
5:53 PM
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A Birmingham Roller is a specific breed.
Nick Siders
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nicksiders
2634 posts
Mar 26, 2008
5:55 PM
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A Birmingham Roller is neather a verb or adverb.
Nick Siders
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nicksiders
2635 posts
Mar 26, 2008
5:57 PM
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A Birmingham Roller is not a description of any action.
Nick Siders
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Snake Doctor
245 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:00 PM
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Go! Nick, tell em!
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nicksiders
2636 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:01 PM
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Just because the bird you have performs backward sumersaults at a high velocity for seral yards looking like a ball does not say that it is a Birmingham Roller.
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Mar 26, 2008 6:03 PM
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Tony Chavarria
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2285 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:03 PM
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ahhhhhh, a breath of fresh air! ;-)
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nicksiders
2637 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:03 PM
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If you have bred a mongral it will always be a mongrel no matter how well it performs
Nick Siders
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Missouri-Flyer
1538 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:05 PM
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but it doesnt make it NOT a Birmingham Roller either
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Jerry
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Ty Coleman
113 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:08 PM
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I cant trace my family tree to Adam and Eve so im not human!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ty
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nicksiders
2638 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:09 PM
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Do mongrals compete in the World Cup and the NBRC Fall Fly? Yes
Do they compete well? Yes
Should they be allowed to compete in these competitions? Yes, because there would be no way to police it.
Nick Siders
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Ty Coleman
114 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:12 PM
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Hey nick who rang your bell ?
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Ty
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1428 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:14 PM
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It looks like is going to be a big post...
I betta open my scotch whiskey...lol
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PR_rollers
741 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:15 PM
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yeah get a glass for me Rudy..
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Ralph....
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Ty Coleman
115 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:16 PM
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Nick must have had a bad day.
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Ty
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Snake Doctor
246 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:16 PM
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I think it is rung!
Pass me the Crown, neat! might even make a preacher cuss!
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SD
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Ty Coleman
116 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:18 PM
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Roy ive been meaning to ask how did snakedoctor come about ?
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Ty
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Missouri-Flyer
1539 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:22 PM
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Nick,
you gonna make it to Missouri for the W/C again?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Alan Bliven
382 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:51 PM
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Breed: a relatively homogenous group of animals within a species, developed and maintained by humans
Homogenous: corresponding in structure because of a common origin.
That should explain it all.
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Alan
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2287 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:56 PM
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Argh! A drive-by post!
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Ty Coleman
119 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:57 PM
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lmao drive by post. Duck and run lol
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Missouri-Flyer
1541 posts
Mar 26, 2008
6:58 PM
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LMAO,
a drive-by post?..Now that funny...bang-bang
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Ty Coleman
123 posts
Mar 26, 2008
7:52 PM
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I sorta hate to see this one die out it had promise lol
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Ty
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Phantom1
190 posts
Mar 26, 2008
8:37 PM
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Ty,
I'll save you some time. This is called "bating". I'm guilty of taking it just by replying now. There is, however, some positives that come of it as long as you don't get your personal feelings involved. But if you do...whoa buddy...get your shoes on!!! It's a long song to dance to.
Eric
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Norm_Knox
129 posts
Mar 26, 2008
8:40 PM
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NICK whats goin on my friend ??? I didnt know that ur friends with Dwyane M. from Arkansas, because hes a very good friend of mine. School is goin good, and UT basketball kicks ass. lol
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nicksiders
2639 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:01 PM
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Eric -
I would not call it "baiting". It is an accumulation of things after reading several posts on this forum. Many are looking at the words "Birmingham Roller" as just a description of performance. This was my response to what I have been reading. KGB hit on it on another threat on this forum, but he did in a series of sarcastic statements and it went right over several people's heads. I just wanted to say something that would not be considered an opinion, especially not my opinion.
Nick Siders
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nicksiders
2640 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:07 PM
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Jerry,
I hope to be in Missouri for the World Cup. If would be a good time to visit those NBRC members in Region 5. I have a mailer that I am sending in the next couple of days.
I am judging in the WC in the Southern part of AR; all of Mississippi; and all of Louisianna. It is a new region of the WC and they have 16 flyers set up. So, that may conflict with the region I fly in. Have to wait and see.
Nick Siders
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Electric-man
1356 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:08 PM
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Nick, you ole mud dog you! I'm beginning to think that your a lot smarter than you look in your pictures! LOL
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Val
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Last Edited by on Mar 26, 2008 9:09 PM
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nicksiders
2641 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:11 PM
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Norm,
Still in school? Yes, Dwayne Mithchell and I go back to when he was living in California. He moved to Hot Springs, AR a little before I move to Marion, AR. He is a good man.
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Mar 26, 2008 9:15 PM
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nicksiders
2642 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:12 PM
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Val,
Hell, I ain't as smart as I look(LOL)
Nick
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Norm_Knox
132 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:18 PM
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Yes ser, one year left and than the darn masters. lol Yea man Dwyane and I are real good friends man I talk to him like once a week. How are u doin and how r the birds ??? I'm planin to start flying on the 29th so hopefuly the hawks are gone ?????
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nicksiders
2643 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:21 PM
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Alan,
Breed: a relatively homogenous group of animals within a species, developed and maintained by humans
Homogenous: corresponding in structure because of a common origin.
That should explain it all.
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Alan
Damn good post. There is your smart man, Val(LOL)
Alan Bleven and Al Perron always have thier sh-- together. There is always a lesson for all of us to learn when they speak or write.
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Mar 26, 2008 9:26 PM
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Norm_Knox
133 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:22 PM
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Got some real nice H. Cook youngsters than I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE ...
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nicksiders
2644 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:25 PM
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Norm,
I am not going to win the WC that is for sure, but they are getting better as the days move on. I may surprise myself. Let me know how your birds progress after you start. Don't get too disappointed when you liberate them for the first time.........(LOL)
Nick
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nicksiders
2645 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:28 PM
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Norm,
Are those Henry Cook's old birds or his new birds? Hell, they are your birds now(LOL).
Nick
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Norm_Knox
134 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:33 PM
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Well its good to hear that your birds are doing good and please dont say U wont win the W/C man. Hard work pays off, remember that. LOL I am kinda excited about leting them out man I have a few birds that roll in the darn kit box. They jump off the perch and boom right to the floor. Kinda scarry, anything I might be doing wrong ???????
Norm
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Norm_Knox
135 posts
Mar 26, 2008
9:34 PM
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The peds say J. H. if u know what I mean. LOL
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Alan Bliven
385 posts
Mar 26, 2008
10:01 PM
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It's a drive-by-post but not a shooting. My point is the very definition of a breed proves the Birmingham Roller is a distinct breed of Pigeon. It can't be defined by a descriptive action alone. If so, the Oriental Roller would be a Birmingham Roller too because it performs in the same descriptive manner. The key word in the definition of a breed is "homogenous" which means they correspond in structure because of a common origin. I do believe all Birmingham Rollers trace their common origin back to Birmingham England and that's part of what qualifies this group of Pigeons as Birmingham Rollers.
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Alan
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Velo99
1637 posts
Mar 27, 2008
4:33 AM
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Then again going back to the origins of the Birmingham Roller, it was a mongrel. Composed of Oriental, Dutch Tumbler and a few other breeds that were blended together by the use of selective breeding and strict animal husbandry. The origins of the bird give us the range of colors,modifiers and characteristics that give us the amazing little guy we know as the Birmingham Roller.
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V99
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Ty Coleman
124 posts
Mar 27, 2008
4:42 AM
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Nice post V99
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Ty
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Scott
292 posts
Mar 27, 2008
6:00 AM
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Alan , but can orientals actualy do what a non cull Birmingham can ? talking about rolling correctly here,that is a question as I don't have any experiance with them, but they don't look like they are built right.
Kenny, what breed of anything wasn't developed with other breeds until established as it's own breed ?
There is so much more to the Birmingham than just spinning.
It's entire makeup evolves around what it takes physicaly and mentally handle what it is breed to do year after yea. That is the tricky part whether you stay in the breed or or cross breed into it with another,and that is where many fall short,birds that are controled by the roll are easy to breed.
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Last Edited by on Mar 27, 2008 6:19 AM
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Alan Bliven
386 posts
Mar 27, 2008
7:55 AM
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>>Alan , but can orientals actualy do what a non cull Birmingham can ? talking about rolling correctly here,that is a question as I don't have any experiance with them, but they don't look like they are built right.<<
Scott, no they can't because they are two separate breeds bred to do different things... From looking at the performance of the best Birmingham Roller in the world from strictly an Oriental Roller mindset, the best Birmingham in the world is a cull. From only a Birmingham Roller mindset, the best Oriental is a cull. Why? Because they are two separate breeds. They have two different standards for performance.
But that's not the point of this topic. The point is if the definition of a Birmingham Roller is one to spin fast and straight like a ball for a long distance, that is one of the performances in the Oriental's back of tricks but they are not Birmingham Rollers.
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Alan
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Alan Bliven
387 posts
Mar 27, 2008
7:59 AM
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>>Then again going back to the origins of the Birmingham Roller, it was a mongrel. Composed of Oriental, Dutch Tumbler and a few other breeds that were blended together by the use of selective breeding and strict animal husbandry. The origins of the bird give us the range of colors,modifiers and characteristics that give us the amazing little guy we know as the Birmingham Roller.<<
Yes, and I might add that every domestic breed of animal started out as a mongrel. Breed and species have two seperate definitions.
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Alan
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flo
40 posts
Mar 27, 2008
8:14 AM
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I guess we are all mongrels of our own kind (human beings that is). Through time, we chose different mates, produces some more human and they mate with other humans. Some chose their kind (ethnicity) and other decides to choose a different ethnicity. To say we are all pure (one kind of race may not be true). there will be a slight percentage that there is a different race within our blood. This is the reason we adapt to change. We all become smarter in one way or the other. We develope strengths of one origin and make us stronger where we use to be weak. The only difference with humans and rollers is; as human, we get to decide who we pair up (other culture may be different...but in the USA...this seems to be the case) and as rollers, it is their master trainer who decides who their mate should be. Point is, every living species is scientificly mongrels.
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Scott
295 posts
Mar 27, 2008
11:35 AM
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(Scott, no they can't because they are two separate breeds bred to do different things... From looking at the performance of the best Birmingham Roller in the world from strictly an Oriental Roller mindset, the best Birmingham in the world is a cull.)
Makes good sence, Scott
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