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Tony...feeding regimen
Tony...feeding regimen
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Missouri-Flyer
1548 posts
Mar 27, 2008
5:29 PM
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Tony,
In reading your world cup feeding regimen, on day 13 you say not to feed them at all....If you feed them on day 12 in the am, and then fly them on the 14th, that is atleast 48 hours from feeding to feeding.
With your recommended fly time of 30 minutes, that seems like it will knock the birds down, and failing to fly the full 20 minutes..30 minutes is cutting it close, and when they dont eat for 48 hours, that would scare the heck out of me in a fly such as the W/C.
I have tried a similiar feeding plan, but didnt hold the feed on the 12th day, but instead fed double to get their energy and protien built up..then cut it in half on the 13th day...
If you fly the club fly on April 12th, and are feeding and training this way, I will get to see how it works for you...
Just my mind working overtime here.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2292 posts
Mar 27, 2008
7:44 PM
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Hey Jerry, right now I am experimenting with a new diet plan consisting of mixed grains for conditioning and a 50/50 diet of wheat/milo the week of the fly.
The day before the fly, the team will rest and get a half ration of wheat/milo.
The main reason behind the 30 minute fly time is to limit the time my birds might be exposed to bop on a daily basis, but also, I want to see that if they are conditioned for the shorter fly time, will they be more active than if they flew for the usual 40 to 45 minutes.
It's amazing how little feed a holdover team, when in condition, actually need to fly for 40 to 45 minutes and sometimes longer. Many birds in my A-Team are 06 birds and mid-year 07, with a couple older ones.
I figure I will try this method for the first local fly in a couple weeks and then tweak things if necessary for the Word Cup the following month.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Electric-man
1362 posts
Mar 27, 2008
8:45 PM
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I've been trying a mix with my birds all week! I am very happy with it! I'm thinking that my birds don't have to be starved to roll! Time will tell though!
I will probably have a new idea next week though! LOL
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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DeepSpinLofts
464 posts
Mar 27, 2008
8:49 PM
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Hi Jerry, Tony and Val...
I couldn't help but to drop in on you guys very interesting discussion on feeding regimens. I've been experimenting with my birds and have given them a different mixture of grains practically every day for weeks now. It's unbelievably incredible what the birds are doing in the air.
I'm mixing red lentils, barley, red milo, canary seed, safflower, rape seed, white millet, red millet, whole wheat, white kafir, popcorn, sweet rice, various types of peas and a little grit on grit days. I put in a little of this and take out a little bit of that and it does wonders for the birds training. Birds trap faster than ever with my system. I'm working with different grains to see how the birds react under stress... sort of like a behaviorial science.
NOTE: My feeding methods goes a step farther than the yo-yo system!
I call my feeding system the ro-gene formula. That's right, the goal is to retroactively stimulate the ro-gene into hyperkinetic energy levels which causes true spinners to spin at the highest velocity possible.
Oh yeah.... where's that link Tony to your W/C feeding regimen? I would like to read it and see if I'm doing things right here at Deep Spin Lofts.
MEMO: A conversation across the table from a wise man is better than years of study of only books.... for its true that wisdom is acquired by an inquiring mind.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Mar 28, 2008 3:56 PM
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Mount Airy Lofts
594 posts
Mar 28, 2008
2:07 AM
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My birds can go with out feed for a day and a half or more if needed to. I guess it depends on the family of birds you are working with. It is a ever going fight trying to keep them with in 30 mins. This is not true for other families as it is the reverse.
Just as a learning curve, I will take in a different family from time to time. Fly them and learn how it differs from what I have. My belief is that it will mold me into a better flier.
If I had a choice, I would rather fly 30 mins and risk DQing than 1 hour plus.
Tony... been pounding on the mix feed two days prior to fly with great success for the past 3 years. Follow up by normal fly mix (wheat/milo) the next day half ration or less with good results. Is there a better way to get the most out of the birds. Probably? Let us know how it works out for you.
Perry lock down,
Thor
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Missouri-Flyer
1549 posts
Mar 28, 2008
6:43 AM
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good words Marcus,
Click on the "reading room" tab at the top....you will find his feeding regimn there.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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fhtfire
1271 posts
Mar 28, 2008
1:54 PM
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I too use my own mix and wheat and milo.....for comp prep...I also use vitamins, electrolytes, Red Cell, Worming....all done on certain days and the rations are only based on fly time.
I want my birds while in training to be up no more than 30-40 minutes. To me it is not about BOP..it is about being in a comp fitness level...and I want them to give me all they got in a short amount of time. Flying longer makes them strong...if they are getting mix....flying longer on wheat and milo and they are worn out and it is harder for them to recover. They also get flown every day (weather permitting) about 13-10 days out and the rest 2 days before comp....
Before I start my comp prep...I feed them up for 5 days straight all they can eat (mix) and then one day of a light wheat/milo ration and then it is straight wheat and fly the shit out of them...then rest and cross your fingers.
My mix consists of on part 28% pigeon pellet, 5 parts 50/50wheat milo, 1 part sauflower......and the mix it all up....that is for my kit birds...anyway...my feed amounts are all based on fly time.
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by on Mar 28, 2008 1:55 PM
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DeepSpinLofts
475 posts
Mar 28, 2008
3:53 PM
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Thanks Jerry...
Let the good times roll!
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Scott
304 posts
Mar 28, 2008
8:58 PM
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With my birds my best flys the birds flew an hr to an hr and a half, if they are conditioned for say a half hr much of that they are looking at the loft roof.
I like to not feed the day before, it adds a bit of stimulation, depending on weather I will pull the water also , again a bit of stimualtion.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 28, 2008 9:01 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2295 posts
Mar 28, 2008
9:27 PM
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Hey Scott, how goes it? Yeah, I can get my birds flying that long too, but this is just gonna lead to increased exposure to bop and the inevitable losses and potential chronic bop problems that come with that amount of air time.
As far as looking at the loft roof, I agree that a younger team is definitely thinking a little more about trapping in and getting fed, however, I have never really had that much of a problem with my holdover teams.
As for water, I will remove it after they have eaten and all had a really ample opportunity to get several good drinks. I find they kit better when the water is not left in the kit box all day and night.
The 50/50 wheat/milo mix is what I am using to stimulate them and get them just a little more pumped the week of the fly.
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Scott
309 posts
Mar 29, 2008
9:27 AM
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Tony, one thing that I have learned with these is that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
And with all of the variables such as kit chemistry, condition,weather, interupted fly days ect. it just plain gets hard and what worked the last time bombs you the next time LOL.
I can't tell you how many times that after the fly I felt like I just set them up to fail, I have yet to have a fly with a major fly finals judge where the birds even came close to thier potential.
Anymore I just don't get to tricky which just lays it more on the birds and the roller Gods.
I use Wheat/Milo for basics and it has worked well for me depending on the condition of the birds prior to setting up.
If I am worried about the wt. on the birds going into crunch time I will go straight wheat,If I think they are carrying too much fat I will go the Wheat/Milo.
Right now my birds are getting decent fly time on them and yet holding wt. which is by design at this point, my game plan is to start about two weeks out and feed up heavy for 3-4 days with 15 0/0 , then start slowly pulling down with Wheat/Milo and hard fly time.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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