ezeedad
430 posts
Mar 31, 2008
8:36 PM
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We know that rollers are feeding the falcons..BIG TIME..!!
I wonder what might happen if, in the middle of falcon breeding season all roller breeders would hold their birds in for, say a week to 10 days? Maybe the falcon breeding might not be as successful.
The time that falcons are feeding their babies would be the best time, because that's when they hunt the most and need the most food.
Gomez
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gabe454
664 posts
Mar 31, 2008
8:38 PM
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Gomez ive brong this up so many times people wont do it.
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silver tail
56 posts
Mar 31, 2008
8:48 PM
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Mr Gomez is right people won't do it. Over the years I have seen the falcons totaly change their hunting techs in 1987 your team would only be hit if they flew high5 to 600 feet. A few years later people did start slowing down their flying everyday and the bird adapted they started hunting lower due to the old saying if a man won't work he'll still meaning they won't starve they'll just adapt to there invirment and find a way to eat even if its land on the groud for their food.
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bigwilly
495 posts
Mar 31, 2008
8:48 PM
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when is the falcon breeding season,or what time of ear will they be feeding young?
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ezeedad
431 posts
Mar 31, 2008
8:50 PM
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Yeah Gabe,
It's an idea that's sort of been out there, but not been tried...
We fly the birds when the falcons are breeding.. and our problem gets worse.. And almost no one will fly during December.. after the moult... and that is the time of year when rollers roll the best..
If we don't do something the problem will continue to get worse.
Maybe it has to get even worse before we try this method.
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kcfirl
393 posts
Mar 31, 2008
8:53 PM
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This is a non - starter. If you have falcons all year, you will have a very difficult time flying birmingham rollers.
The only solution is moving or changing breeds in my opinion.
I know it sucks and some may call me heartless, or whatever. The sooner we pull our heads out of our $#%$#% and organize to combat this issue using legal means, the better.
Sincerely,
Ken Firl
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PR_rollers
767 posts
Mar 31, 2008
8:54 PM
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Ezeeda you right we have to all stand and do something anything.and this plan has nothing to do with breaking the rules nobody can makes us stop feeding the BoP..this one is the safest way ....for us...
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ezeedad
433 posts
Mar 31, 2008
9:02 PM
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Ken,
I will never change breeds... So that's not an option..
Not gonna move either... So who can we sue..?? Doesn't seem like an option either.. Looks like I'll be flying green rollers.. Plus I'm going to give the flying Orientals a try..
Gomez
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silver tail
59 posts
Mar 31, 2008
9:09 PM
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I think since fish n games is over the enforcement them and or both the Audubon society are the ones to sue because there the ones get the fund for find when there paid which make them the owner in my opinion.
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luis
748 posts
Mar 31, 2008
11:17 PM
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Guys lets get real!Hawks & Falcons will adapt to any situation and that's why they are "Apex Predators".In other words, if by some miracle of GOD all pigeon flyers held in their flocks during breeding season,hawks & falcons will still hunt wild pigeons & other prey successfuly.The hunting of our pigeons is the instinct of these animals and lets face it,our rollers are some of the easiest prey for these well adapted hunters.Plain and simple,if you fly pigeons...you will loose pigeons to predation.Our biggest problem is the vast numbers of some these hunters such as Coopers and Red Tails just to name a few, and the issues with non-migration.I think eventually the s..t will hit the fan and someone will have to take action,but in all honesty...this might take many years.
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PR_rollers
774 posts
Mar 31, 2008
11:22 PM
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Luis I think you right ,they will just adapt..and when we let ours out again easy prey once again..
Ezeeda i'm thinking of Orientals myself give them a fight for there catch..
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Last Edited by on Mar 31, 2008 11:24 PM
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Drama Side
112 posts
Mar 31, 2008
11:27 PM
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For those of us in Southern California. Its so many bops now that it will take more then a breeding season to hold our birds in. We will have to not fly for two full years. Yes two full years and they will migrate again. Now they don't have to migrate because of us. Its not easy for a falcon to catch a wild pigeon. A copper hawk can but not a falcon, but who going to hold there birds in for two years. Nobody!
Last Edited by on Mar 31, 2008 11:39 PM
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ICEMAN710
246 posts
Apr 01, 2008
12:10 AM
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I would have to agree with drama side.
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bertie
146 posts
Apr 01, 2008
4:13 AM
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Falcons will stay around no matter what you do. They are a lot like people. They go get the easy food first(fast food for people)if you take the easy food away, which of course is rollers they will go for the wild pigeons,or doves which fly faster but they can still be caught with a little work.
Bert
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ezeedad
434 posts
Apr 01, 2008
6:32 AM
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Luis,
I think that there is no question that rollers are easier prey for the falcons since they are flying around in one area and in nice little groups of twenty or so birds.
The behavior of wild pigeons and doves are much harder for the falcons to catch. They are close to the ground, and they move from place to place.
Street pigeons don't fly high like our birds do. Our birds tend to elevate even higher when the falcon attacks. only a few smart ones will dive down straight to the kit box.
I'm not suggesting that we stop flying for more than a week to ten days. Falcons can adapt, but during those few days they should have a hard time.
Paul G
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ezeedad
435 posts
Apr 01, 2008
6:36 AM
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Drama side,
It seems that falcons in Cali don't migrate like in other areas.
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silver tail
65 posts
Apr 01, 2008
6:53 AM
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Drama your right in cali they don't migrate like other area's because there not truely wild birds the birds your talking about were raised by man an released. The falcon in the wild was know as the duck hawk they eat ducks,sea gulls,ect. So if there were no more pigeons they would still eat the problem is todays falcons have been trained to eat pigeons and released this makes them pigeon assassin.
the problem is not with the true wild migrating bird it's the hundreds of hybred that man has created by croosing the diffrent birds and releasing them.
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Sourland
110 posts
Apr 01, 2008
8:32 AM
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Last spring when I gave my birds away, I kept a dozen rollers and a couple of homers. I haven't flown a bird in over 17 months. I still have Coopers sitting on top of my loft and hanging on my flight pens on a daily basis. There are just too many of them! When I was still flying, my birds would occasionally get hit by a migrating falcon. On one occasion I watched a young falcon pursuing one of my rollers. The pigeon dove for the loft, hit a mesh fence right next to the loft. The falcon in hot pursuit also hit the fence and saw the pigeon run inunder the loft. I yelled-the falcon left, and I sat back in my recliner hoping my kit would return. About 15 minutes later the falcon returned landed and started to run inunder the loft to get the pigeon. BOPS are nothing more than snakes with wings with that single minded drive to kill and eat. The survivors are the ones who are able to adapt.
Geo.
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Edgar
158 posts
Apr 01, 2008
12:04 PM
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I couldn't agree more with luis theres nothing we could do but hold our birds in BOP season.Hawks will adapt to hunting other pray such as wild pigeons,doves,and even chickens I don't really believe that for not flying our birds for a couple of weeks or even months, will it effect the BOP in any way these birds are very smart and theres nothing we could do as pigeon breeders to make them stop from breeding and expanding in greater numbers the only thing we could really do is get off our asses and protesting, to the government who is really responsible for bringing these BOP's into the city were they don't belong.People realize that the gov is the only way that this big problem could be stopped I know that theres no way to make all BOP disappear but even me as a pigeon breeder wouldn't mind losing a bird each month to the BOP but when you start losing five,six,seven,hell ten, birds per week its crazy the Government needs to understand that these are our loving pets and we as pigeoneers demand this nonsense to stop common guys these our our pets stop crying about this situation and start writing letters getting peoples signatures sooner or later there going to have to listen they have to understand that our pets are being butchered on a daily basis and nobody seems to care but us. (Moderated). so until we get out there and protest make them look into our world see through our eyes we will always have this problem so lets not talk about how (oh I lost two birds to the BOP today don't know if I wanna fly anymore Bull#@#@#.) Lets start talking about how many letters we put in the mail how many signatures we got lets stop talking and start walking peace.edgar.
Last Edited by on Apr 01, 2008 3:32 PM
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Drama Side
114 posts
Apr 01, 2008
1:40 PM
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I agree with you Edgar post the address up on here that we should write to.
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quickspin
482 posts
Apr 01, 2008
2:11 PM
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Now look at the dog that was taken in Florida. Now I just hope that is as far as they will attack. They have to put more attention to them as they are big and might attack a child one of this day's I wish not.
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bertie
147 posts
Apr 01, 2008
2:47 PM
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I really don't think a hawk,falcon or eagle will bother a human. And if someone leaves there 2 month old baby outside maybe the parents should be put in jail.
A dog is different than a pigeon as you all have told me over and over. A pigeon isn't a pet a dog or cat is. I won't go any farther with that subject.
I know I'm going to have tons of trouble with the hawks that live across the street in the big cotton woods. Haven't flown any birds yet to see. Just have to see when the hawks are here and not here. Try planing on flying when their taking a nap or something.
I don't think there is anything anyone can do about the numbers of BOP.Most of the time in nature after the BOP have ate all the prey in one area they move on to another area that has plenty and lets the old area build the prey back up. Well, we are building it up for them all the time so no real reason to look else where right?
Bert :^(
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ezeedad
437 posts
Apr 01, 2008
5:21 PM
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BAN THE BOP.... LOL... Sorry guys but that's not going to happen. Let's face it. People outside of this hobby for the most part could care less. They usually think of pigeons as the birds that crap on statues.. and think of them as pests. We're not going to get much sympathy.
Since we can't fight falcons the old fashioned way, and they're here to stay, we will have to figure out how to best limit their numbers and keep them from driving us out of this hobby.
If we just keep feeding them and helping them to produce a healthy new generation we are contributing to the problem.
But if we cut off the easy food..our young pigeons..still innocent to the dangers that exist out there..then we could limit the numbers of new falcons.
When food gets scarce the baby falcons will fight among themselves for food some won't make it..
Then if somehow Great Horned Owls could make a comeback, they could help A LOT..
But if we just go on business as usual the problem will continue to grow. People never seem to react fast enough...It's like global warming... What do we do? BUY A SUV..!!
Gomez
Last Edited by on Apr 01, 2008 5:28 PM
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PR_rollers
796 posts
Apr 01, 2008
5:27 PM
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Paul thats why we have to keep educating the people that think like that about pigeons.if you don't do nothing then nothing will happen but if you keep being positive and maybe one day something could happen someone just might listen.nothing to lose but doing nothing you have everything to lose.let your voice be heard.don't give up..
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ezeedad
438 posts
Apr 01, 2008
5:38 PM
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Ralph,
Thanks for the encouraging words. Maybe the thing to do this year would be to announce when the best time should be to try out a voluntary 10 day lock down. It should be when falcons have their young growing in the nest. Say..June 10 to June 20. I think we can have more impact on the situation than many people believe. After all we have probably been feeding thousands of rollers to falcons and hawks every year..
Gomez
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PR_rollers
798 posts
Apr 01, 2008
5:43 PM
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You welcome Paul,thats why we here for to know when one is feeling down and help pick that person back up again..
I think we should try what you are suggesting anything positive won't hurt .the trick is stick together.
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gpigeonman
53 posts
Apr 01, 2008
7:07 PM
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OK after reading all that every body had to say, I believe if you stop flying for some time the BOP wont go away, but the BOP may start attacking other pets such as dogs, cats, bunny's etcetera. If that were to happen then more people will get involved not only the pigeon fancier but every dog, cat and bunny lover out there
Just my way of thinking.
Jesus....
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katyroller
130 posts
Apr 01, 2008
7:46 PM
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Unfortunately I don't think there is anything that we can do about the BOP issue. As pigeon fanciers we are never going to get the politicians to side with us and do something about the issue. Let's face the facts, most folks still consider our birds as disease ridden nuisances that are raised by undesirable folks. This is why it is so important that we police ourselves and not advocate illegal activities.
I believe the best we can hope for is that the BOP population will get so large that an epidemic will pop up and thin out the numbers. Nature has a way of thinning out the herd when it gets too big. The best thing we can do is practice the proven practices of not flying when the BOP's are heavy in our areas. Unfortunately for those with resident BOP's, you may have to relocate or stop flying all together.
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luis
752 posts
Apr 01, 2008
11:40 PM
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Just to add a little something.....
Bops are still considered an endangered species,so no matter how many letters we write or how many signatures we get,we will not get what we need!Pigeons on the other hand are a dime a docen!At least this is the way politicians will look at it.They'll probably add..."You don't want to loose your pets,don't fly them!
Just my take on the situation as of now.
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