Missouri-Flyer
1574 posts
Apr 08, 2008
2:22 PM
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After watching some of the clips posted on here of the westcoast birds, I have noticed that every kit I have seen on here, they are flying fast. Is this because of the BOP issue, or is it the way those birds always fly?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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quickspin
487 posts
Apr 08, 2008
2:49 PM
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If we get hit by the BOP they do fly with a faster wing.
When they are not gething hit they fly slow, kicking back in the air. This I have seen with my birds even ? came to my house and ask me you got hit recently? I ask how you know? he said your birds are flying with a fast wing in protected mode.
Also another problem is feeding them high % of mix food.
My birds start to slow down after 3 weeks or up to 1 month of gething hit. This also makes them be more stiff and not so much action. Flying in protected mode so they can try to out fly the bop. Now for the guys that get hit a minimum of ones a week this birds get use to flying like this and it's hard to break that habit. I lock down for 3 weeks after gething hit one time and they still were flying fast, so I had to break them down and 1 more week of lock down. This took care of the problem but I know some birds that never got back to flying normal. Out of nowhere they will just dive down or fly crazy from seen a crow.
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SALAS LOFT
Last Edited by on Apr 08, 2008 10:09 PM
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Mount Airy Lofts
644 posts
Apr 08, 2008
3:00 PM
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Jerry,
What is fast to you?
My birds were never that slow of a flying family. Dodging the constant migrating BOP's annually doesn't help either. I would not consider my family a fast flying nor would they be a slow one. They are average joes in my book.
I have a clip of what I call fast flying if you want to watch. I have seen a couple families up here that fly like this on ever visit. I can up load it when I have some free time this Sunday. Some families are just naturally fast flying while others tend to vary depending on the BOP issues.
I have heard guys state that all their birds do is butterfly wing action. Now do these birds do this all the time or like quality rolls, just on certain days?
Your birds must be a slow flying family to have asked the above.
I can not attest to others that have posted videos but mine are of when they are circling up to grain some height (right after release) or coming in to land. It takes about 4 to 5 minutes for my birds to settle down after release. They usually give a false impression right after liberation as to their flying speed. Once they have settled down, it is with a nice wing beat. While coming in to land, my birds would make fast sharp turns. Trying to bank themselves into the right position to drop in. There are trees lining the property so they have to come in a certain way to be able to land.
Can some one film some nice butterfly wing action for us? Jerry do you have some?
Thor
P.S. I'm located two states above you. No West Coast over here.
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Last Edited by on Apr 08, 2008 3:02 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
1579 posts
Apr 08, 2008
3:18 PM
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Thor,
go to page 2 and click on thread "sgvs 1st fly" and look at the vidoe..that is what I call fast flying. My birds are slower on the wing. My thinking is that the birds that are fast flyers are not in position to make breaks..Just my opinion.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Mount Airy Lofts
645 posts
Apr 08, 2008
3:25 PM
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Jerry,
Just got done re watching it. I would not consider that fast flying. Kind of hard to tell as the birds were really low. It could also be windy, who knows.
Hell, if that is fast flying, my birds must be Homers on the wing.
Here are the clips of my birds I have online right now... minis one which is my friend John's.
http://youtube.com/user/khaosthor
Thor
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silver tail
124 posts
Apr 08, 2008
8:06 PM
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Jerry most of the videos ive seen posted are not all that good in qulity and second of all there mostly people just showing there birds at this time right out of lock up and still getting chased. I would bet that if some of the other guys who score high in comp were to share a video you would see slower flying and also much bigger breaks. The video from SGVS is from one of there top fliers who has said time and time again he is getting killed so thats whats wrong with that team trying to survive I would think. Post a video of your so we can see what slow is to you. :-0
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luis
771 posts
Apr 08, 2008
8:49 PM
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I'll have to agree with Jerry in regards to a lot of birds flying fast due to BOP issues, but it's very hard to judge flying speed from a low quality video.Heck even with a descent video ,it's hard to judge depth,speed or anything else for that matter!I believe it's up to the trainer to determine what his birds are doing and make adjustments accordingly and this includes locking down when the birds are to hyper.I think most of us do that or at least try!
The birds you saw Jerry belong to Hector and from what i have seen,his birds fly with a good wing beat!Again birds out here are very sensitive to the BOP or anything closely resembling it!
Last Edited by on Apr 08, 2008 8:50 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
1581 posts
Apr 08, 2008
9:48 PM
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Yes I know he stated that that video was of Hectors birds.My question was in regards to the fast flying of the kit due to BOP, or naturally fast flyers.
SilverTail,
I dont have a video camera that is internet capable to upload a video..I have some good footage of some of my past kits, but cant put them on the net.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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luis
774 posts
Apr 09, 2008
12:03 AM
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To answer your question more directly, or try.I've seen Hectors birds fly on a few occassions, and i think he manages them pretty well.Although most of his birds are Bob Scott line(known to be strong/high flyers),when i saw them ,they flew at a descent height and at a good speed.He also places 1st frequently on his club flys.
In my most humble opinion though,i don't think B.Scott birds break with enough frequency to place high in a more competitive field.In this sport of roller flying,frequency means more than it should.I place value in a bird that has frequency, but most important is speed & style followed by good depth.Twenty-thirty ft is good.To much depth and the birds usually fizzle out quickly.Just my two cents and i know i rambled on a bit.LOL !
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maxspin
207 posts
Apr 09, 2008
10:43 AM
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Definitely a BOP issue.
I only had (2) of my 07 young birds that would roll last year before lock down. They were in a constant state of survival flying. Fast wing beat on one wing.
The falcons make flying kit birds almost impossible.
Keith Maxwell
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Mount Airy Lofts
650 posts
Apr 09, 2008
11:06 AM
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Keith,
I know what you mean. I picked up some Don Ouellette F1's one year. They were the survivors of a flier who had a huge Perry problem. First year flying these birds were very frustrating. Any little bird that flew by would make them dart all over the sky. Any crow, red wing black bird, martins, etc. Took them a whole year just to some what get over it. I am still flying the best ones that made the cut performance wise. Once bitten, twice shy. Even now, 2 plus years later, they will make mad dashes on sight of any BOP's. They are now out standing performers. Still doesn't change the fact that they have learned a thing or two during their young bird encounters. Will try to get one of those survivors certified this year being it will be of 3 years old.
Thor
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Last Edited by on Apr 09, 2008 11:06 AM
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