getiton
21 posts
Apr 14, 2008
7:52 PM
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hey guys...who's got paratyphoid before...can the birds die from it? and how fast? and what are the symptom???
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luis
795 posts
Apr 14, 2008
8:44 PM
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Yes it can be cured.4 in 1 works but i would only try to save a bird that was invaluable to me!Like i said before even if cured they become carriers.I had an outbreak with my Sporting Pouters some years ago.I had about 8 come down with it.At about $300.00 a bird,i tried to save them!Ended up having to cull 6 of them!They just weren't getting better and i didn't want to take unnecessary chances with the rest of my stock!
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flo
64 posts
Apr 14, 2008
9:09 PM
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Getition,
Paratyphoid is some serious disease....they spread like fire. if the bird(s) is in an open loft, separate the ones that are starting to show signs like: head twitching, turning around, neck twisted, having problems eating, or always turning their head one way. They will eat as much much when the disease gets very serious, they will have a lot of problems eating.
4-1 works best to cure them.
I had this problem once and I learnt how to stop it...4-1.
The ones that are real bad might not have a chance.
This is just my opinion.
flo
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getiton
24 posts
Apr 14, 2008
9:15 PM
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so if i cured it, it can come back?...and how long do they have to be on 4 in 1....
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Last Edited by on Apr 14, 2008 9:17 PM
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quickspin
501 posts
Apr 14, 2008
9:23 PM
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Cull the bird not worth it gething it spread to the rest of your birds. My friend had that and he spend money trying to cured the bird and ended up spreading to the rest and had to cull all his birds.
Don't let him drink from the same water bowl from the rest or it might be too late for them. Use a new bowl for the rest of the birds so you don't take a chances.
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getiton
25 posts
Apr 14, 2008
9:28 PM
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so if they drink from the same bowl....that means the rest of the birds may have it then! rite? so if the rest of the birds may have it, then 4-1 can cure it?
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quickspin
503 posts
Apr 14, 2008
9:32 PM
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I would use 4-1 for the rest of the birds but for the one that carries it I would cull it A.S.A.P as somtimes it still comes back after you cure it. Or it might pass it to his offspring so why risk it.
Remouve the pigeon Grit before you are going to use the 4-1 and use a new drinking bowl just to be safe.
http://www.pipa.be/artikels/pi-account/paratyphoid.htm
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Last Edited by on Apr 14, 2008 9:45 PM
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glenn
108 posts
Apr 15, 2008
10:29 AM
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Hello:
#1) Break-up your birds (cuts down on the stress), clean your cage and water vessels.
#1A) DO NOT OVER CROWD YOUR LOFT, YOU WILL NEVER WIN THE BATTLE
#2) Isolate sick birds and treat them, remember that the one's that survive are carriers & if you breed them stall breed them.
#3) Keep your feeders on wire so the birds don't eat any spoiled grain. Make sure you don't have any mice or rats getting into your grain. If you do take care of that problem ASAP or you will never win the battle.
#4) There are a lot of things that work to cure them, Baytril, 4 in 1, and a few other things. But the main thing is to halt the spread of it to your other birds. Don't add any bird's to your stock and once they are healthly make sure what ever you bring in is healthly. There is a book by Dr. David Marks that is good and another by a vet from Australia, I belive Tony sells that one. Both books have a lot of good info on the birds and the things they can catch.
P.S. Make a frame out of 2X4's and cover it with 1/2" hardware cloth big enough to put your feeders on so the birds can't eat the grains that the birds throw out. Remember if you don't break up your birds there stress level will be high just from breeding and there immune syatem will be weak and the birds will be get sick fairly easy. Other things will crop up beacause of there weaken immune system.
Glenn
Last Edited by on Apr 15, 2008 10:43 AM
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flo
65 posts
Apr 15, 2008
11:36 AM
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Getition,
Like many others have said, even if they are cured, there is still a percentage (large or small) that some; if not, all may carry. If they are all drinking from the same bowl, seperate them immediately. Give the ones that still hasn't shown signs of the disease 4-1 for 1 week and stop. Overdoing it will kill them (trust me, I loss many birds that didn't sho signs yet but I was afraid so I just gave it to them non stop (rookie mistake). The ones that are bad, just don't waste time with them, once they get real bad, the disease can be airborn and even when isolated, thte disease will catch on and when the disease gets airborne, you will have fight you most likely will lose. If there are squeckers that their parents are infected, the squeckers will suffer too and might as will cull them. What I did was I cleared out all the nest bowls, old feed bowls, water bowls or anything in there. I remove all my birds from the loft and I get a spray bottle (the ones that you mix fluids to kill the weeds). I put bleach mix with water and spray the interior and exterior real good. I do twice in one day. I did it on a sunny day so the loft would dry alot quicker. Then I had to get all new bowls and etc. and only put the ones you think aren't infected back in the loft.
A hard lesson I learn was, I had to let go of my very favorite and best roller to save the rest. There was just no point trying to save the very best if he/she was infected.
For me, the cause of paratyphoid was by rats. A young squeker ate some rats poop and he started looking funny. At the time I didn't know anything about paratyphoid so i thought it was just a "handicap" squeker". within a week, 1/4 of all my birds were infected, then I had to do my research and it was a little bit too late.
I hope this help.
SOme other people may have other opinions or success or different ideas, but this was my experience and it helps me and I hope it helps you too.
flo
www.blacked-out-loft.webs.com
Last Edited by on Apr 15, 2008 11:41 AM
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rollsoffury
45 posts
Apr 15, 2008
1:19 PM
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Thanks for posting something about this disease i did'nt know about it or where it came from. But now i know to keep my cage mice and rat proof.
Thanks again, Alex
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getiton
26 posts
Apr 15, 2008
10:08 PM
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thinks guys for the info. i'm now using 4-1 & baytrill...lets see if i can help my birds with it!...
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glenn
109 posts
Apr 16, 2008
8:22 AM
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Hello:
Do not use Baytril & 4 & 1 together....bad thing to do. Use one or the other, please talk to the Jerry @ Foy's Pigeon supply he can give you the info you need. You also need to feed them good Gut Bacteria after the medication because the medication kills all the bacteria in the birds, both good & bad. Please read the books I mention and again talk to Jerry @ Foy's
Glenn
Last Edited by on Apr 16, 2008 8:23 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2350 posts
Apr 16, 2008
8:52 AM
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Hey Glenn, baytril and baycox is no longer available. It was taken off the market by the FDA.
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centralvalleylofts
110 posts
Apr 16, 2008
7:35 PM
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parathyphoid-salmonellosis
is caused by a bacteria that dries in a birds stool even months after its still alive so constant cleaning with an acidic ph level of 4.0 is the best way to prevent futher problems.if you guys get some lime in an old sock an coat your entire loft at least once a month the problem will go away. the best alt. is to vaccinate your birds with sal-bac vaccine dosage is .5cc per bird. and for an alternative to baytril use tribrissen liquid form.
p.s. before you get to this point just add 1/1000 of clorine in the water every now and then at least once a week will be fine.but when you do remeber to replace their good gut bacterium because clorine will kill just about anything in their system. another good source of ph-natural white loft dressing.
for this and other products check out with tony first then _______________siegelpigeons.com or foys.
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bob prisco
6 posts
Apr 17, 2008
9:23 AM
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Sulmet (sulfamethazine) will take care of your Paratyphoid
problem. You can also use combination Aureomycin - Sulmet.
You can go to my site under articles and see Medication, should be of some help. NO , I DO NOT SELL MEDICATION.
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Last Edited by on Apr 17, 2008 9:35 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2355 posts
Apr 17, 2008
9:25 AM
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Hey All, if you need any of these meds, give me a call or send an email. I stock some of this and can order most if not all the others. Thanks!
Here is why Baytril was taken off the market:
Baytril Side Effects
Baytril, an antibiotic drug used to treat animals with infections, has been taken off the market following years of Baytril related side effects in humans. The side effects occurred after people would eat infected chicken and usually resulted in severe and bloody diarrhea. In a press release, the FDA said that their decision to take the drug off the market for use in chickens was because it was causing drug-resistant variations of campylobacter in poultry.
These strains of campylobacter can spread to humans, causing severe side effects. Baytril is similar to other antibiotics like Cipro and Levaquin. Bacteria that become resistant to these drugs are often resistant to many other forms of treatment as well. The disease campylobacter does not have side effects in chickens.
Baytril, the brand name of the drug enrofloxacin, is used as an antimicrobial drug to treat infections in chicken and other poultry, such as turkeys. The FDA ruling only affects Baytril’s use in poultry, but not other animals such as cattle, and pets such as dogs and cats.
Campylobacter is a major cause of foodborne illness in humans. This illness causes such side effects as severe diarrhea, which may be bloody, stomach pain, fever, and cramping. The symptoms occur usually 2 to 5 days after first ingesting of the bacteria. There have also been reports of death occurring from campylobacter exposure in humans. The risk of serious symptoms is heightened in the very young, the elderly, and those with existing medical conditions..."
For the entire article CLICK HERE
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luis
805 posts
Apr 17, 2008
12:23 PM
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Same old story Milo!Lack of experience,missuse,and carelessness causes these bacteria & viruses to adapt to the meds.In return we get serious concequences wich could eventually become fatal for us.Please folks follow the directions on all meds,including the ones you take yourself!!
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2480 posts
Feb 01, 2009
12:02 PM
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Good info..........
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