elopez
1050 posts
Apr 16, 2008
9:49 AM
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I've been flying my kit everyday this last two weeks. I recently switched their feed from 12% w/corn to 12.5% without corn. I have seen a bit better spin out of them but they have a tendency of flying at good height for about 10-15min then they shoot up and disappear. I've cut down the food, but they still do this. Is it the weather that is making them fly high or should I cut down the feed even more?
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Efren Lopez
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2351 posts
Apr 16, 2008
10:11 AM
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Hey Efren, glad to see you are getting more spin with the feed change. Approximately how much feed is each bird getting? Think of it in terms of tablespoon/s per bird...
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diamondrollers
253 posts
Apr 16, 2008
11:17 AM
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hey e
yourbrds might be to fit for flying. when my birs do that i fatten them up then start the break down process and stop flying every day. i will fly every 4 day
sal
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elopez
1051 posts
Apr 16, 2008
11:17 AM
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I was giving around a tablespoon per bird, but I cut it down a bit. So closer but more than a teaspoon.
Let them up at 8:30am and it's now 11:17 still have 5 in the air out of 17.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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elopez
1052 posts
Apr 16, 2008
11:22 AM
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That might be the problem. My younger birds are the ones that like to fly. My team ranges from 4mo to 14mo. Mostly around 7mo due to my losses these are my only options for this team.
A few weeks ago they were working pretty good. A bit under 20 breaks, some big, some small. Now I'm lucky if I get 5 breaks...???
I lost a few top birds in the kit within this time, could that be the issue?
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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PLS
111 posts
Apr 16, 2008
12:04 PM
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My kit use to fly HIGH, but now its flying LOW, what kind i do to improve this...?
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Built4Speed
90 posts
Apr 16, 2008
12:06 PM
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E,
I told you what to do............. shhhhhhhhh, try it my friend.
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Dale
SGVS
http://builtforspeedrollerlofts.bravehost.com/
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339 posts
Apr 16, 2008
12:44 PM
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sup elopez, well this is one of the problems that I had with the 12% mixs and all those other kind of mixs ext ext. well one of my good friend from out here told me to try out a mix that is wheat, milo, and barley. But when I started feeding them this feed it took them like a month and a half to get use to it and my friend told me that, that usually happens it takes affect around a month and half and not to worry. With this feed I can control anything with my birds if I want them to fly high I just give them extra ext ext just to tell you how happy I am with this feed if I snap a finger and tell my birds what I want them to do the'll do it LOL but if you would like more detials about this feed my email is on my profile you can email me anytime....
EVILLOFT
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Mount Airy Lofts
672 posts
Apr 16, 2008
12:48 PM
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Heck,
Aren't we flying a High Flying breed? Just bugging! I saw the most over flies in the Spring time. Might be due to all the changing air pressures. Hell, since I been junking all the high fliers as they show, I haven't seen one in a while now.
Over condition sounds like your problem. Let them rest a week.
I fight with high flying all the time... all I can say is good luck,
Thor
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kcfirl
408 posts
Apr 16, 2008
12:52 PM
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I would go to evewry other day flying. Feed as much as they want of the no corn mix on the day they fly and feed straight wheat - 1/4 as much as they get the day before. the play with the wheat amount to adjust the fly time.
I think you will see a lot more roll and they will be able to keepo their weight up.
Ken
PS. Flying birds of that wide range of ages when they are young will always make it hard to control them
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DeepSpinLofts
597 posts
Apr 16, 2008
3:21 PM
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Efren my man, I don't have all the answers... as a matter of fact none of us do.
...however
I pasted below a 1998 Rick Mee interview of a great roller man Monty Neibel.
NOTE: There is some dialogue regarding feeding and big fly stuff in their discussion.
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Rick Mee with Monty Neibel in 1998 Interview:
Rick M.- Descibe your breeding programn, how many pairs you use, and what type system you use. Examples would be open loft, poloygamous,individual pens, ect. How many young do you raise each year?
Monty N.- Their is no hard set rule for the number of breeders I use, only use what is worthy.
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Rick M.- How do you select birds for stock? What are the
requirements?
Monty N.- Requirements for stock birds, must roll hard too spin with good style and kit well and show no deterioration.
Rick M.- Do eye sign, size, type, feather quality, or colour come into play when you select stock? Do you rely on pedigrees very much?
Monty N. - I pay no attention too eye sign or colour. Size + type 99% of the time looks after itself if the bird performs properly. Any bird that is the exception to the rule is simply flown. No, i do not rely on pedigrees.
Rick M.- Do you feed any particular type of grains or seeds? Any difference between feeding young and holdover kits?
Monty N.- I usually keep kits on 95%wheat, 5% millet with red mineral grit occasionally, with a mix in the Winter. I also use small amounts of Belgium mineral powder. Young bird kits are fed the least.
Rick M. - What do you do too a kit too get them ready for a
competition? Do you feed any special feed? How many days do you start the preparation and do you have any tricks you do too alter them too get enhanced performance?
Monty N.- In getting a kit ready for competition, i start by getting rid of all the birds that tend too not go on the breaks. Birds are kept on a strict 3 day schedule and than held 4 days for the big fly.
I stress them by breaking them down with smaller amounts of feed and use grit and mineral powder to cook them up.
"IN SHORT, I YOYO FEED DRAMATCALLY UP AND DOWN."
Rick M.- In your opinion, what are the most important things about training rollers?
Monty N.- The most important things, about training rollers are too train on a regular schedule, record and observe. Never release a kit without a good plan. When in doubt about the weather, and if the kit looks too good, do not release them.
The End
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Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Apr 16, 2008 3:23 PM
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rollsoffury
58 posts
Apr 16, 2008
3:43 PM
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Hey Efren
Its been a while since i flew, But i'm trying to remenber back in the days when my kit did'nt want to come down. I ether did'nt give them water or i added some salt to the water. That made them thirsty and caused them to land sooner.
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Roll it
Last Edited by on Apr 16, 2008 3:58 PM
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tucknroll
17 posts
Apr 16, 2008
5:06 PM
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Efren,
It isn't what your feeding thats the problem alone its the genetic makeup of your stock that is causing the bulk of your problem. The high flying gene is your achilles heal especially living in the San gabriel valley where thier is a lot of up draft and high pressure systems lurking. Second to the aforementioned is the various ages of your kit members. You learn how to crawl before you learn how to walk and so it goes hand in hand with your kit. The key is to be able to get them into a somewhat resistance to a fit. Anotherwards the older birds are the ones that are taking the rest of your kit up and out of sight. The stiff birds that go up our usually the cleanest and sleakest birds within the kit. If you want to test and found out just who they may be. Fly mini kits of 5 and keep copius records as to who's who in the mini kits and you can than sort them out and find the culprits. This I know is time consuming but the best world class flyers do this to organize thier team of kit members. (Just a tip for ya) Never commit the impardonable sin of only feeding each kit member one tablespoon of feed on a daily basis. What you will do eventually is tear the bird down to skin over bone and create a balsa wood type of feel which is non conducive to high velocity spinning and correct style of flying. The article submitted by Monty is a good piece of advise providing your flying a seasoned old bird kit. This does not apply to a young bird kit or mixed aged kit.Feeding kits evenly requires one to seperate the birds according to thier feeding abilities. Anotherwards how fast they peck at the food and consume at feeding time. Most do not adhere to this and seperate them by age groups alone.Once a pigeon has come to the six month mark of thier young life they are now coming into thier adulthood and must be taken to the wood shed in some cases not all. Remember that pigeons are creatures of habit and if they are flown and find those lofty heights they will be hard fast to break them of it just like any other bad habit they may have picked up. The highest protiens are found in the pea family of seeds. They can range from 18% to as high as 30% however realize that it takes 48 hours for a pigeon to feel the effect of a boost with protiens.
Flying them on an everyday schedule is another way of getting them to fit. Think of it like a 100 meter track star or a kentucky derby winner. You train to lead up to a good fly for testing purposes especially if your goal is to prepare for a competition fly. I like to golf but I never try and fix my game while I'm out thier on the golf course. Thats where the driving range comes into play. The best advice that anyone can give you is to have a goal and a plan. Monty coined the phrase never release your birds without a plan. Hans Roentenbacher said it well what you do today with the feed can is what you can expect for tomorrows fly always staying a day ahead of your self so that you can set the birds up correctly and know what to expect. Details, details, details thats what to expect when you want to succeed with these birds and the littlest details can make the biggest impression when it is all said and done. Good Luck Efren I know you'll do well.
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silver tail
158 posts
Apr 16, 2008
9:02 PM
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Very good post tucknroll.
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PR_rollers
903 posts
Apr 16, 2008
9:46 PM
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Good post tucknroll. I too usually break them up in small group to see who is causing them to go up.and watch who is eating more of the bigger grain.I pick my birds up and feel them out on hand when they very light i notice they go up high, being light make a bird go way up too...
that happen when I'm breaking them down and they in great shape from flying everyday so i fly every other day and play with the feed rest them more .bring them back up and back down again. always messing with them..watch the barometer too. ----------
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elopez
1058 posts
Apr 16, 2008
11:17 PM
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A very informative post Tucknroll. Thanks for the advise.
Thanks also to everyone else. I will keep it all in mind when training my kit.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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elopez
1059 posts
Apr 16, 2008
11:39 PM
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This week or next. I need to get the water system all set first them I'm going to knock down all of the breeding holes I have now and clean it up real good and put in the individuals.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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elopez
1062 posts
Apr 16, 2008
11:49 PM
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What's his page? or Where is his page?
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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elopez
1063 posts
Apr 17, 2008
12:23 AM
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Thanks. Very informative.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Scott
359 posts
Apr 17, 2008
6:38 AM
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You have them too strong and in fly condition, quit flying them and pound wt on them and them out of fly condition, there is a reason that fat men don't run marithons ,if the roll left the rest will help spark it back.
Flying high can also be habit, and not a good one for a team to get into.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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harrison
1223 posts
Aug 27, 2009
10:22 AM
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Just thougth that I would bring this post back around as it has give me some help and I think it will help others.
good look guys harrison uk hull
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J_Star
2120 posts
Aug 27, 2009
10:51 AM
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You are not going to believe this...but cut the Milo OUT and things WILL change for you and you will notice a BIG difference.
Jay
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Southplainsroller
17 posts
Aug 27, 2009
7:14 PM
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I had this problem with my birds when I was getting ready for the world cup. Iam pretty new at this, and I flew to support the club. I threw together a scrub kit of birds, thats all I had at the time. and they sucked.... bad haha. So I flew the crap out of them to try and get them ready, and in condition. well towards the fly they started skying out on me. I thought I was feeding too much, so I cut the feed. it only made it worse. I read a post scott had posted about birds being too fit, and it made a whole lot of sense. I handled my birds and they were straight lean muscle haha, I started flying them everyother day and threw some pellets to them and haven't had problems since. and I saw more activity from them too!
Jake
Last Edited by on Aug 27, 2009 7:18 PM
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Rocky Lofts
111 posts
Oct 23, 2009
3:17 PM
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bump
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Cheers, Rocky
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harrison
1259 posts
Oct 23, 2009
5:02 PM
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good post guys,
I have missed reading and learning from you guys but i am back now to learn more.
lol.
harrison.
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