smoke747
837 posts
Apr 22, 2008
1:30 AM
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What makes a fancier totaly change families of rollers?
smoke747
Keith London
ICRC
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ICEMAN710
271 posts
Apr 22, 2008
2:17 AM
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The First three things that come to mind would be;
1)their own bad management
2)not starting off with the right stock
3)buying the NAME rather than the BIRDS themselves.
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Gary
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kcfirl
414 posts
Apr 22, 2008
5:29 AM
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Good morning Keith,
I changed my family of rollers once. I had jaconettes that I had collected from 4 different fanciers for the first 5 years. I did ok with them and won some flies but after awhile, I realized that their was better speed and style out there. So I hunted for what I wanted till I found it and switched over.
I think almost any rollers will do for a guy that's learning the game. For me, once I saw what the birds were capable of, I had to go get some.
Regards,
Ken
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COYOTE33
103 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:18 AM
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man keith were have you been? i thought you drop off the face of the earth, everything cool? i've seen people change their family because of money!
coyote
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 6:19 AM
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3757
708 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:31 AM
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1. Getting their birds stolen.
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silver tail
188 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:36 AM
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Hey smoke I think there are a few resons but the one I see most often is the chase for instant fame. You have those that want to win so bad they buy pipe dreams and don't see the value in learning there birds. They run and get birds from the hot guy and don't realize next year there's another winner so they buy yesturdays winners enstead of working on tomorrows dream team.
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smoke747
840 posts
Apr 22, 2008
9:00 AM
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Good feed back fellas. The reason I asked is, I've seen guys change families when they alrady had a family that was producing some nice spinners but may have been lacking depth, frequency, or was not attached to some famous name. They get rid of all of their current family for one of the traits to find out that the birds are still lacking some thing so they change families again instead of adding what is missing from the stock at hand.
CULTIVATE- TO FOSTER THE GROWTH OF BY TILLING OR BY LABOR AND CARE:REFINE,IMPROVE
If style is not present with some speed, I will change quickly!!!
SMOKE747
Keith London
ICRC
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JMUrbon
424 posts
Apr 22, 2008
9:54 AM
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Keith this is a great question. I ask myself the same thing all the time. I have seen numerous guys change birds only to say they are no better off than they were with the old birds. A little finess and you can build a great family of birds as long as they posess 2 things. Style and speed. Any of the other traits can be added or as you put it cultivated. Nothing happens over nite. You must be willing to take the time otherwise you end up chasing a dream instead of living it. Joe Urbon
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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maxspin
218 posts
Apr 22, 2008
1:38 PM
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The birds that I started with were a cross between Bill Shriber and Dirk DeBoer. They were a great start for me, but have some limitations that I am not happy with.
They are high fliers, so it is always a challenge to keep them at a storable height. I am not happy with the quality or depth that they have, and finally my percentages of usable birds was never at a level that I was happy with. It was all that I could do to put together one kit of old birds. I never have had the luxury of a B kit.
I have not been able to get out of my region to see what is out there. The best birds that I have stood under were Ivan Hanchetts birds, so that is the direction that I have been trying to go. Unfortunately the falcons have been so bad the last couple of years that I still do not know what I have to work with.
Keith Maxwell
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wishiwon2
52 posts
Apr 22, 2008
4:00 PM
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I wanted to chime in on this. I can only speak for myself with any surety and only guess at reasons why other guys do what they do.
I have made 1 major family switch. The birds I initially began with were not capable of producing the kind of birds I came to want as I leanred and developed as a fancier and flier. I tried or i should say sampled a few other bloodlines along the way. I chose what I have now because of a cpl reasons.
1) I had/have access to birds from this strain. I also had access to guys who were flying the same. So there was a resource of material both in birds and experience to draw from. Some of the other strains i tried were shipped in and i had neither contact with other keepers of that strain and further additions or exchanges were expensive.
2) I found a family that was sucessful over time. It is a family that isnt just a flash in the history books. This indicated to me that the birds had the goods and it was up to me or other managers to get it from them. I felt like it was someting I could use and have a decent chance of being successful long-term with.
3) The family has the complete package; speed, quality, depth and teamwork. It does not mean they are perfect, there are things I would like to work to improve upon, but all the components are there. It's just a matter of keeping it together in a package and breeding it.
That said, I am still on the lookout for someting that better fits me or my situation. But before I whole-sale trade families Ill work with the other new stuff a few years and see if we get along. Until I find the ideal/perfect family (I doubt it exists), ill continue to have a sideline going as an experiment. Progress comes slowly and i am will to accept that so long as I am mnaking progress. Each time I go on a fly I think to myself whether what I m doing is working or not, what do I need to change to get better. This is the 2nd greatest value for me in competeing, to measure myself and my loft. The first the ppl i get to meet.
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 4:04 PM
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Hector Coya
96 posts
Apr 22, 2008
4:18 PM
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I call these guys,Champion Chacers. i know a few,
They work with one family and cant get any results , so the next year they go and spend alot of money buying from the top guy,at the end of that year someone els is doing good so they get discureged with what they have and start over.
We have a few young members in our club that seem to do that.
If they whould have stayed with the first family they would have done better that where ther at today.
Ive had my family since 1982,i play around with other familys to see if ther is something i can put into mine,but i still keep my old stuff for backup.
Hector Coya= SGVS
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silver tail
199 posts
Apr 22, 2008
4:30 PM
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Whats up Hector. Your words are so true and I like the fact you said you keep the old stuff for back up you know it work and if or when all else fails go to what you know works.
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PR_rollers
928 posts
Apr 22, 2008
5:50 PM
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Keith how you doing guy..good to have you back..
what makes one change family?...Buying pedigree birds instead of birds that do there thing in the air. I like a bird that writes his own pedigree in the sky. thats what i got back in 1999 pedigree birds...
Now i have two family but its too early to tell what they made of for the long keep though i see things that i like . but i know i be there for years working with what i have so i know i won't be changing anytime soon.. people buys good birds from all over but remember you can buy good birds but not the man ..I use Monty N for an example R.I.P..many have his birds but can't get to work them like he did when he had them.. you have to learn all you can from a person birds because once he is gone if you haven't learn anything but just banking on what he has you down on your luck back to where you first stared.. and what happens is you become just like your birds that are not stable...an unstable kitmaster.
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Ralph....
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WaTtS UpP
623 posts
Apr 22, 2008
5:54 PM
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well im planing to stick to the birds i have now and work them really hard and get as many babies as i can this year and choose each bird carefully out the sky and see the qualifications that i want each birds and go from there well i think every one has good birds i just think it depends how you feed and work them i think it also depends hows the day you fly on such as in weather ect. GOOD POST KEITH
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Watts uppp homeboy
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smoke747
849 posts
Apr 23, 2008
12:24 AM
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REMEMBER; SELECT, BREED, FLY, AND SELECT AGAIN
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
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Edgar
192 posts
Apr 23, 2008
1:36 PM
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Ay Keith I was just speaking with the band secretary of the NBRC so he could give me some info on a bird I got its a NBRC 2006 X 1693 its a dun like hen well it turns out that she belongs to you. Well if you want her back please feel free to email me if not I was wondering if yeah you know whats coming if you could give me some info thanks.edgar. amezquitaedgar@yahoo.com
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