rtwilliams
26 posts
Apr 30, 2008
1:24 PM
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As a newbie I keep hearing the term fault. I have searched and read what to do with faults, and what some consider to be faults (ie: roll down). However I would like a list of what people here consider major faults and a description of that fault. I would like a list that includes physical descriptions (ie: more than 14 tail feathers) as well as performance faults. Those who are in the know will you please pick one fault that stands out the most to you and share with this newbie.
Thank you
R T Williams
Last Edited by on Apr 30, 2008 1:25 PM
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Steve_uk
485 posts
Apr 30, 2008
1:28 PM
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Bad kitting is at the top of the list for me followed by birds that are just rolling mad that cant keep with the kit!!!!!
Steve...
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JMUrbon
432 posts
Apr 30, 2008
1:42 PM
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Like Steve said, first and formost they have to kit. Then they have to roll and not just roll but in scorable fashion. Min 10 feet straight, exit straight and have a clean spin with no wing switching.
Physical faults are subject to opinion and preferance of the breeder. For me as long as they have two wings and two eyes and a tail and can stay with a kit then they have the physical atributes needed. I breed from a perticular type that I like as do moast guys. this type is my preferance and mine alone so I cant help you there. The roller is a small bird that is well balanced and built to withstand the torture that their bodies are put through. I breed for 30 feet but naturally I get them less and I get then more. My preferance is however 30 feet. that is were the true roller really shines. You get an entire kit of 30 footers and you will win any fly in the country. If you start breeding for depth then you will soon spiral out of the competitive relm and start picking alot of your birds off of the lawn.always breed for quality and speed and you cant go wrong. I like as little back cover as possible and I breed my birds more on the smaller side. Good luck. Joe
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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rtwilliams
27 posts
Apr 30, 2008
2:11 PM
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Thanks to those who have responded. A few faults that I have found include\
1. Non Kitting 2. Flying over the kit 3. Flying under the kit
4. not flying (lazy) 5. landing to early 6. slow rolling
7. bumping 8. stiff. 9. mad tumbler. 10. bloody eye
Can some explain what mad tumbling would be?
Plus any other faults you can think of.
Thanks again
R T Williams
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sippi
210 posts
Apr 30, 2008
2:55 PM
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A mad tumbler would be one that roll excessively and constantly with or without the kit. Usually three flips or less.We see this a lot in Orientals. Sometimes they will come out of it and sometimes not. There are also mad rollers and many of these become rolldowns. Sometimes if it is a young bird you can pull it for a little while and it will get over it.
sippi
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PR_rollers
1000 posts
Apr 30, 2008
4:17 PM
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A roller coming out of the roll and heading another direction.sometimes not coming back in earning the title as an out bird too..
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Ralph....
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smoke747
968 posts
Apr 30, 2008
6:29 PM
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SLOPPY DISHRAG ROLLING
NON KITTING
POOR HOMING INSTINCT
NOT ROLLING AT ALL(NEVER)
SMOKE747
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Keith London
ICRC
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PR_rollers
1001 posts
Apr 30, 2008
6:38 PM
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Not being able to produce or produce the same.
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Ralph....
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Hector Coya
117 posts
Apr 30, 2008
6:48 PM
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The faults i dont like
A bird that dont kit.
A bird that bumps leaveing the kit or landing,
A bird that flips constantly and cant keep up with the kit.
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George R.
585 posts
Apr 30, 2008
6:51 PM
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sloppy rolls
late devolopers
wont kit
bumps when landing
bumps when leaving kit box
If you have to toss a bird in the air toss it and the parents in the trash can
short rollers
slow rollers
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tapp
564 posts
Apr 30, 2008
7:34 PM
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A bird that don't kit even if it rolls good is a cull. Wire and tree sitters are no good! These are two that I can't except at all!!!----------
Tapp
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Mount Airy Lofts
719 posts
May 01, 2008
12:09 AM
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A major fault to me is a bird that has it's head screwed on the wrong way. The wild, super jumpy, see ya... type of bird.
Thor
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pure roller
22 posts
May 01, 2008
5:17 AM
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Another fault no one mention is when a bird puts out his landing gear after every roll( the feet comes out as if he was landing or as if he wants to quit.)This could be a terrible distraction to young and undiscipline kit.
Last Edited by on May 01, 2008 5:21 AM
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Windjammer Loft
280 posts
May 01, 2008
8:48 AM
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Hey Smoke......You mentioned "POOR HOMING INSTINCT". Are you doing anything to improve this with your birds?? I've been doing alittle experiement with my birds in this area. Just curious what you do?
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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rtwilliams
28 posts
May 01, 2008
9:40 AM
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Thank you for your posts. I have learned what to look for to keep a bird out from being one of breeders. Thank you for your help. If any one has any other comments I would like to hear them. I would also like to hear more about what you do not like a breeder to look like. examples size (what is to big or to small) head shape, or other examlpes that you look for or hope not to see in your breeders.
Thank you
RT Williams
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smoke747
973 posts
May 01, 2008
11:06 AM
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wind jammer, i've concentrated on the birds that seem to get back home not matter what, as long as they have been flying for at least 2 seasons and have all the needed performance traits to keep my strain improving. I also pay close attention to the birds that produce them.
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
Last Edited by on May 01, 2008 6:28 PM
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Hector Coya
119 posts
May 01, 2008
4:29 PM
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A bird that Shit's on you,,,
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rtwilliams
32 posts
May 01, 2008
9:06 PM
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Hector is that a cull or a secret weapon? lmao.
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Windjammer Loft
282 posts
May 02, 2008
8:46 AM
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Smoke.......thanks....just gathering up some different ideas on how to improve on the homing instinct. Keep the ideas comming.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
527 posts
Dec 06, 2009
8:50 PM
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I can't belive it has been almost 2 years with these birds. I have now seen every fault mentioned to some degree. I am lenient with young birds coming into the roll, but I really hate early landers, they are the first to go for me.
The boy and the pigeon Picture is to good!
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RT Williams
Last Edited by on Dec 07, 2009 1:39 PM
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PAUL R.
127 posts
Dec 07, 2009
12:28 PM
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I see faults as ( BAD GENES ) .
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