MILO
958 posts
May 01, 2008
11:27 PM
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Cliff.
Pure genius. I think you are onto something.
"I have no problem with more than one National Roller pigeon club. Maybe a little competition could move different clubs in different directions. In the minds of a few, it seems they would like to move away from performance standards (very foolish statement by the way Cliff) and now need tighter restrictions for "breed" standards, or tighter rules. The NBRC is more successful in representing the fancy than any other roller club has ever been, and it continues to grow. I think those that are so unhappy with the NBRC should definitely give it a shot....set up their own organization and rules and have their own fly. Go for it guys. Or maybe to help these situations, we should base competition flys based on color alone. Maybe that would make the inbreeding pedigree guys happy...ya think?"
Maybe so, or maybe it would just be good for the breed. Someone has got to protect it. Right? Maybe the misguided few (including myself) should give it a shot. What do you guys think?
c
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rollerman132
276 posts
May 01, 2008
11:41 PM
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Sign me up,You can call it “RBRC” (Real Birmingham Roller Club), and instead of having a fall fly, we can have one when the hawks are gone.
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pigeonflipper
33 posts
May 02, 2008
3:47 AM
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sounds good,,for us here we have the perigrines all the time,,,,but the WC flys are all in winter and the weather is crappy
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FLY HIGH=ROLL DEEP
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Ty Coleman
245 posts
May 02, 2008
3:58 AM
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Maybee there should be a club for the purist stand point also they could get together and talk and swap pedigree's,or maybee we could all just enjoy being members of the NBRC and wory about the performance of our birds!
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Windjammer Loft
283 posts
May 02, 2008
8:53 AM
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Just what WE need.....More reason to SPLIT us up.......Remember,usually the MAJORITY rules. Lets just fly our birds and enjoy them.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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rollerman132
277 posts
May 02, 2008
1:02 PM
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Just history repeating it self, remember what happened with the Pensom Roller Club. There was two camps also, the purist and the show guys, and what happened to the purist, they formed the NBRC. Now we have the purist and the color guys, what do you think will happen next? Who would have thought that the same club who’s Founders were Purist would change their point of view for the sake of color.
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MILO
960 posts
May 02, 2008
1:30 PM
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You seem like a good guy Ty, but you sure rub me wrong with your misguided sarcasm. Honestly, the concerns of the "purist" NBRC membership seem to be way over your head. I think change is good. Brian is so right about the old school feuds. Believe me guys, there are enough guys to get it done. Instead of labeling us as extremist pedigree chasers, and making fun, realize that it could blow up in your face.
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Scott
465 posts
May 02, 2008
2:01 PM
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(Lets just fly our birds and enjoy them.)
I can't help but agree with this statement.
Scott
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Ty Coleman
246 posts
May 02, 2008
2:06 PM
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Milo sorry you didnt like my post,but i think you missed the point of my post it actually goes along with the NBRC point of view ---lets worry about the performance of our birds-- was my point.The sarcasm was to show how foolish it would be for the NBRC to split into two clubs. I also keep up with the pedigree of my birds and i among every other breeder i know breeds for performance, so we actually dont have that much difference in opinion.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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luis
917 posts
May 02, 2008
3:33 PM
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You don't use sarcasm in your posts Milo?
Remember this "You remind me of my 5 yr old daughter...I know you are but what am i".
As far as anything blowing up in our face.I don't think so!
Last Edited by on May 02, 2008 3:37 PM
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Ty Coleman
248 posts
May 02, 2008
5:24 PM
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Scott, WE AGREE FOR ONCE lol
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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MILO
963 posts
May 02, 2008
6:15 PM
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Ya, I guess I do use sarcasm Luis. I guess I do.
So you seem to have it out for me huh? You have all the answers. We can add you to the list of experts that pop up every year on the Birmingham Roller. LOL
As for this thread...It isn't foolish at all to talk of the formation of a new National Club. You are so convinced the membership is thrilled with it's operation? Forget the fact you don't like how I type. Lets use our brains here...LOL
c
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luis
920 posts
May 02, 2008
8:11 PM
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No Milo i don't have it out for you.I just wanted to point out we all have dirty clothes in our laundry basket.Also, i'm no expert!I come here to learn and for entertainment purposes.Some things make sense to me and others just don't.We are entitled to our opinions and entitled to change them if we so choose,right?When we feel strongly about something we do tend to get carried away and that's part of human nature.I think we need to unite and not divide.Plenty of folks on both sides of the fence,so the breed should be ok.Also ,i do feel most do breed for performance so that is a plus.If the NBRC chose to include a color standard,i would adhere to it since i hope to compete in the W/C as soon as i get my birds going in the right direction.Most with colored birds would probably do the same thing,but i don't feel that is going to happen as the NBRC is interested in promoting performance and competition as they always have.
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Ty Coleman
249 posts
May 03, 2008
4:42 AM
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Milo, I have no problem with what any breeder does in there own loft, they buy there feed so i think they have the right to do as they wish.I do have a problem with a breeder who misrepresents what they are doing for example, if a person who breeds for color sells a f1 as a birmingham or a person who breeds fore purity hangs a pedigree on a bird that it doesnt belong to just for name sake.Milo if you came to my house im going to tell you that i fly Turners im proud of them,im going to tell you that they carry the indigo gene, im proud of that, and if you asked for a bird it would come out of my A kit, i dont misrepresent my family of birds and i dont promote giving trash away.Are we that different?
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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kcfirl
418 posts
May 03, 2008
5:47 AM
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Hi Milo,
hope your trip to LA is a success and you have safe travels. I was thinking of you the other day when I was down in the Carmel Valley for a board meeting.
The problem with splitting into 2 national organizations is that there aren't enough guys that will actually do real work in the one club that exists today.
I understand that one club may not be able to get agreement amoing all the members as to what ourt goals should be. the thing is the only way to do that is too have one club for every pigeon guy since we are all individual with our own ideas as to what is the most impoortant to move our sport forwar(or hold the ground we have).
Ken Firl
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MILO
967 posts
May 04, 2008
6:43 PM
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Hey Ken.
Call me next time you are around. Could have hit the course at Quail at least! Good points. Sometimes we need to re-evaluate things, thats all.
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Velo99
1691 posts
May 04, 2008
6:56 PM
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OK Ken,
We either suck it up and play by the BS rules or just fly once a year in the WC? I think thats the conclusion Scott has come to. Hence his new attitude...?
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V99
Keep the best. Eat the rest.
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MILO
968 posts
May 04, 2008
8:42 PM
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LOL
I think for most guys nowadays, if they want a regular comp fix they need to do it at the local level. Sure the prestige isn't there, but it works.
c
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Scott
471 posts
May 04, 2008
9:02 PM
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Actualy Kenny I'm proud to be a member of the NBRC, do I agree with every thing or all those that are at the helm on any given day ? No of coarse not.
It must be rembered that those on the EC are just every day shmoes like all of us, their opinions hold no more value than any of ours , and they are all volunteers from the Lads to the RDs of the regions on up,and KI appreciate their service,each and every one of them.
Perfect? No, never, keep in mind though that the NBRC is the "membership" nothing more,nothing less.
My opinion of color birds or any other mutts has nothing to do with the NBRC , nor do any of the ECs speak for the NBRC on the subgect, they can't, only the bylaws can and it clearly states it's mission to the breed.
Honestly I think that there are far more important matters where the NBRC is concerned.
And that is scoreing and putting value only on birds that represent the breed and not drawing the line where it includes culls , loose shitty judging is the biggest challage facing us as it puts value where there shouldn't be,the WC has been plauged with the same in recent years.
Scott
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on May 04, 2008 9:08 PM
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