rollermanx0
387 posts
May 05, 2008
1:07 PM
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WHAT MAKES A BIRD A CULL AND HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU GIVE A BIRD BEFORE IT'S CONSIDERED A CULL BIRD?
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sTeVEn RUsSElL
ICRC/CSRA/WCS
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tucknroll
31 posts
May 05, 2008
1:45 PM
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Steve,
Two things to consider when culling a roller. #1. is it a physcal problem? #2. Is it a mental problem? I'm assumming your talking about a young bird right? Number 3 is probably one of the hardest things to consider because it reveals the managers ignorance and believe you me we all fall into this category. The obvious is lack of kitting ability. If it continues to not kit or come down early use baseball rules and enforce the three strikes your out rule! Bumping on exit or landing is a cull period no excuses. Hand tossing a bird to the air is a cull period. A blatant rolldown is a cull period. Birds that refuse to fly that are of good flying stock are also culls. Thier and a managery of other types of idiosyncracies that we as trainers impose upon the birds but we must be rational with how we approach the problem and not be to hasty, but the obvious ones that we encounter should never be tolerated or compromised in any way. When they develop and start in the body moult is when all hell brakes loose in young birds. I believe the body moult plays more of a role in thier behaviour moreso than thier flight moult. When they develop in the roll one must be deliberate and understanding wether or not they are possesed by the roll or possesing the roll. Either voluntary or involuntary. The involuntary rollers are the bumpers, the non kitters. the frequent tail end birds or the mad tumbler type. and with age the bird that continuosly flys above the kit and when he comes to the kit rolls out of the kit and assumes the postion above the kit again. Very important never allow your self to become sentimental about a certain bird from a certain pair. In order to succeed you must cull blindly and don't allow one bird to destroy the rest of your birds because of whom he may have been out of because you have compromised him or her.Its never easy but the rewards out weigh the headaches of not reacting at the appropriate time. Remember thier creatures of habit.
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PR_rollers
1036 posts
May 05, 2008
2:22 PM
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great post Tuck..
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Ralph
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Oldfart
632 posts
May 05, 2008
3:02 PM
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tuck, thank you, I enjoyed your post and it helped reinforce what I already knew but was reluctant to remember.
It is very hard for me, when it is a shoulder bird or from my favorite pair. You are right of course, but it's hard none the less. BTW, WELCOME!!!
Thom
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classicpony
682 posts
May 05, 2008
5:02 PM
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Tuck,
Great Post, I hate to cull, but after reading your post, it makes culling a little easer for me. I always heard that any bird with a bad habit should go for others will pick up on it and do the same. Soon you have a flock of culls.
Jim
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rollermanx0
388 posts
May 05, 2008
6:37 PM
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TUCK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST...
I'M GONNA PRINT IT OUT AND PUT IT ON MY CAGE
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sTeVEn RUsSElL
ICRC/CSRA/WCS
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smoke747
1031 posts
May 05, 2008
6:58 PM
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Thats some god advice Tuck.
smoke747
Keith London
ICRC
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l.h.559
22 posts
Feb 07, 2009
10:47 PM
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH 4 THE POST ..SOME GOOD ADVICE THERE..
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0221
70 posts
Feb 08, 2009
6:25 AM
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As stated above the first thing a roller has to be is a good kitt pigeon. those that fly above the kitt are scared. birds that are always rolling out of the back of the kitt, take them out. of course performance, only quality. I like to see figure 8 pattern or at least slow flying. I like to see the birds stand and break. there are a lot written on this subject by more talented people than Myself. I recomend reading what Hans Rottenbauker wrote on starting a family. He include's, how to breed and what a cull is.
Last Edited by on Feb 08, 2009 6:44 AM
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pigeon pete
127 posts
Feb 08, 2009
8:19 AM
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Steve,
Good advice above. You set your own standards, but sometimes you may need to compromise them to keep enough birds in the air to make a kit up. But any bird that potentially leads the others astray needs to be gotten out of the kit pronto.
Young may land early, or on the house roof but if they persist , out them. A straight flyer is only a cull once it reaches the age at which you wish to draw the line, even then if you are short of flyers, I would hang on a bit longer because some birds will start rolling a lot later than your loft average and eventually make good rollers.
Rolling faults that are obvious, but the bird kits, you can be a bit more patient with until you can replace them with better birds.
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Windjammer Loft
692 posts
Feb 08, 2009
8:39 AM
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rollermanx0, l.h.559
don't type in caps..
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Feb 08, 2009 8:41 AM
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iowarollers
67 posts
Feb 08, 2009
8:42 AM
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why windjammer are they yelling or what complain complain man it is getting old DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jep1104
5 posts
Feb 08, 2009
9:19 AM
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I like what truck says. I allways begin to cull after a good moult. If the bird is kitting well and a 1 year I leave it be. I once raise a Black Smith Cock a little on the big side. When it came into the roll he would'nt kit and then got sick. Put him away for awhile built him back up a bit. Put him in the air again. And was on of the best bird I every raised. His name was the "GORRILA" because of his size. Arnold Jackson has him now. So be patient good birds come to the top. After 1 old I begin to be a bit more harder on them. I don't stock a lot of my birds, plus the falcon takes the rest here in Orange County, CA. Cull Hard and your birds will be better.
Jepthe
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spinningdemon
307 posts
Feb 08, 2009
11:49 AM
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Lots of great posts. I really like what tuck said I think I will print that and post it in my loft. Always to remeber what has to be done.
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David Curneal
www.freewebs.com/dcurneal
www.saltcreekcustomstone.com
In the air since 1973
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Marchenero4
12 posts
Feb 08, 2009
12:51 PM
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OMG! I think I asked this same question 2 weeks ago? People did nothing but slam me. Then erased the post. Funny how yall have your little Cliques. Eh?
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iowarollers
68 posts
Feb 08, 2009
1:28 PM
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boy more bickering............... if this keeps up i'll just log out no need for this ya all tony has a very informative site here and that is whatt is not a place to -itch kevin
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toronto15
35 posts
Feb 08, 2009
2:41 PM
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Read want you want. Theres 200 hundred pages with 24 posts each. Sure theres repeats but I for one appreciate the experienced flyers taking the time to give their knowledge.Discussions in every aspect of life can get heated at times.Thanks again Tony for the site.Glen.
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pigeon pete
128 posts
Feb 08, 2009
3:03 PM
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Marchenero,
This is a busy and quite cluttered forum.
Sometimes I log on, and the days postings cover more than one page, so I sometimes just check out the 10 or 12 at the top of the page, it's nothing to do with cliques I wouldn't think. Also if you deleted your post you will never get a reply. If you asked the question presumably you are interested in the answers that are being posted now, so it has saved you re-posting.
I used to be on Earls list and many times I would give an answer, but got no feedback, then some other guy would post an idenditcal reply and he would get loads of 'great reply' posts, but am I bitter? no I've completely forgotten about it,LOL
Pete
Last Edited by on Feb 08, 2009 3:04 PM
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Marchenero4
13 posts
Feb 08, 2009
3:30 PM
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No, i am saying I asked an almost identical question, but people were saying that we dont discuss culling on here. And my post was deleted along with the thread, not by me. Then people started saying, if you dont know how to cull, you need to get a different hobby. etc etc
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2450 posts
Feb 08, 2009
10:45 PM
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No Marchenero you said after you guys kill your birds how you guys get rid of them..you said you have 30 culls and I remember answering your question by saying you can take them back to who ever you got it from or sell them to a pet shop for feed...
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Ralph
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2452 posts
Feb 08, 2009
10:48 PM
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WHAT MAKES A BIRD A CULL AND HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU GIVE A BIRD BEFORE IT'S CONSIDERED A CULL BIRD?
This is a difference from what you ask..
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Ralph
Last Edited by on Jun 14, 2009 12:24 AM
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