Dave Szab
153 posts
May 05, 2008
2:45 PM
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Hey guys,
Here is a pair of babies out of my 2nd round. The mother is a daughter of Eagle (my foundation cock), and the father is a grandson of Eagle on one side, and a half brother of Eagle on the other side. I'll put a picture of Eagle below to compare. I would say his genes are carrying through pretty strong! LOL.
Dave Szabatura
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396 posts
May 05, 2008
3:15 PM
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nice birds
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spinner jim
300 posts
May 05, 2008
3:32 PM
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Dave nice badges,you have struck the right genes with these youngsters ,good luck i hope they are good spinners,JIM uk.
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PR_rollers
1038 posts
May 05, 2008
3:43 PM
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Dave you don't know how much i love that eagle bird ,that definitely is his twin there..I hope he turns out even better.goodluck...
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Ralph
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Ralph
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Oldfart
634 posts
May 05, 2008
5:32 PM
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O.K., but cloning is a no, no! ;-)
Nice birds!
Thom
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WaTtS UpP
725 posts
May 05, 2008
7:28 PM
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nice looking group good luck
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Watts uppp homeboy
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1604 posts
May 05, 2008
7:32 PM
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RUDY PAYEN
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ICEMAN710
296 posts
May 05, 2008
11:44 PM
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looking good dave, best of luck to those two squeaks. Keep us updated on how well they do!
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Gary
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BLUETT1983
118 posts
May 05, 2008
11:59 PM
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Squeaks Looking Good Bro
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NBRC.....
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DeepSpinLofts
707 posts
May 06, 2008
4:09 AM
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Nice looking squeekers Dave. Their genetic markings from Eagle can be visibly recognized.
Oh yeah... by the way what color Badge would you exactly call Eagle?
He doesn't look like a Black or a Red in the photo.
Dun?
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on May 06, 2008 4:10 AM
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Santandercol
2437 posts
May 06, 2008
5:35 AM
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That Eagle is quite the bird,eh!!Look at his stance.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Dave Szab
156 posts
May 06, 2008
6:26 AM
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Hey Marcus,
I've always called Eagle an Ash Red, but I don't know if it's right. He has been on 3 different hens, and has thrown the Ash Red like him, Blacks, blue checks, and rec red. The hens were all rec reds.
Dave
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silver tail
263 posts
May 06, 2008
6:56 AM
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Dave great lookig birds by the way how many of the three from the attack were out of eagle?
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bigwilly
568 posts
May 06, 2008
8:17 AM
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nice birds gooduck with them
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Dave Szab
158 posts
May 06, 2008
8:49 AM
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Dave great lookig birds by the way how many of the three from the attack were out of eagle?
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Silver Tail,
2 were grandsons, and 1 was a daughter of Eagle.
Dave
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PLS
127 posts
May 06, 2008
8:51 AM
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Nice looking birds dave, Good Luck
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DeepSpinLofts
708 posts
May 06, 2008
9:46 AM
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Dave... here's something to seriously think about.
Does Eagle throw you out any Solid Colors?
...or Selfs
Such as those often found in Cheques?
....well anyway
I'm sure you can get these FOUR COLORS below from Eagle.
1) Yellow Check Badge
2) Blue Check Badge
3) Red Check Badge
4) Ash Red Self
QUESTION: Can you genetically produce the above markings+colors from your top cock Eagle?
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on May 06, 2008 9:46 AM
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Dave Szab
159 posts
May 06, 2008
12:08 PM
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Marcus,
No, I don't think that I have ever gotten a self off of him. I've gotten everything that you listed except yellow, he doesn't have any dilute in him.
Dave
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birdman
552 posts
May 06, 2008
12:09 PM
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Marcus, you said:
"Dave... here's something to seriously think about.
Does Eagle throw you out any Solid Colors?
...or Selfs
Such as those often found in Cheques?
....well anyway
I'm sure you can get these FOUR COLORS below from Eagle.
1) Yellow Check Badge
2) Blue Check Badge
3) Red Check Badge
4) Ash Red Self
QUESTION: Can you genetically produce the above markings+colors from your top cock Eagle?"
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited on 6-May-2008 9:46 AM
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Question:
Marcus,
Why are you sure that Eagle will produce yellows?
How did you come to that conclusion?
Just curious,
Russ
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DeepSpinLofts
709 posts
May 06, 2008
1:56 PM
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You raised a very good question Russ!
Hmmm...
Eagle looks like a Dun/Ash Red and I thought there might be a Red Check in his background. I also thought there might be a dilute ancestor in his background and was merely speaking objectively about Eagles decendents in the snapshot above which have a lot of white in them. I assumed that somewhere between those darker+lighter shades on Daves Ashred/Dun badges were a yellow coloration underneath. I guess I was mistaken.
I'm not an expert on colors, however, there are many ways to go about getting yellow cheques and cheque selfs in our breeding pens.
In response, Dave makes this comment below regarding Eagle:
====> "I don't think that I have ever gotten a self off of him. I've gotten everything that you listed except yellow, he doesn't have any dilute in him".
One thing for certain is that recessive red in the dilute form is called Yellow. These are quite beautiful and are very frequent rollers. I have found in my family that to mate these together will bring quite a number of over hot birds and many will roll down and crash upon landing from distances as high as 60ft. I firmly believe that it is because I am dealing with a double recessive trait. Remember that recessive red is a recessive gene and so is the dilution.
Dilution in the recessive red is also a sex linked trait. I like to make my recessive reds the long way. The way that I do it brings me many more hens than cocks. I find more good spinning hens in my family than cocks anyway so it doesn’t bother me too much.
....well anyway
What I do is take a recessive red cock that is carrying dilute and mate him to a normal bird that I know is carrying recessive red. From this mating I know that I can get some dilute recessive red or yellow hens. If I mate a recessive red carrying dilution to a dilute hen carrying recessive red then I can get both dilute recessive red cocks and hens.
NOTE: Breeding yellows this way is sometimes a tedious path to take but I eventually get there. I have found that the dilute recessive reds produced this way are much more stable (15ft-30ft range) than if I were to breed them together. However, I must confess that sometimes I do breed them together because it is the fastest way to get some yellow cocks.
The addition of the factors that I talked about in making a good rich recessive red holds for the making of good yellows. Good yellows will almost take on an orange to gold coloration. They are quite beautiful. The poor ones are washed out. They are pretty also, but they do not have the rich yellow that is wanted in the yellow birds.
Any way I am sure most of us around here with reds have this trait. I must admit as a performanced minded fancier it is a quite beautiful color for a pigeon to have. Over the years I've discovered that Midwest and East coast (Daves region) yellow rollers are also quite frequent as we have here in California.
Talk to you later....
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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gabe454
828 posts
May 06, 2008
2:58 PM
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Nice squeekers dave.
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