quickspin
580 posts
May 07, 2008
8:58 AM
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Hi guys how common it's to find a young 2 year old cock not to fertile. I have one that I been trying to breed him but the eggs are not fertile. The hens are good as I bred them before and they laid eggs but they are not fertile.
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SALAS LOFT
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gabe454
838 posts
May 07, 2008
9:41 AM
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how old is the hen probably coming from the hen.
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TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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quickspin
581 posts
May 07, 2008
9:45 AM
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The hens are breeding at this time they good.
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SALAS LOFT
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silver tail
288 posts
May 07, 2008
10:02 AM
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Not sure how common but it has happened to me I have a young cock all last year tried him and two rounds this year nothing I pit his half brother on the same hen both rounds good so back to the sky for him.
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luis
941 posts
May 07, 2008
10:47 AM
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I think sometimes meds can have a huge impact on a birds reproductive system and its ability to function properly.We need to be vigilant with this!Also,sometimes you just need to look at how a cock is mounting his hen.This can affect if the eggs are being fertilized or not.Giving them a little more time together can also help.If all else fails,there are pills to help with this.
Last Edited by on May 07, 2008 10:48 AM
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quickspin
584 posts
May 07, 2008
10:47 AM
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I try him with two different hens, I just give him fertile tablet today to see if it helps him. I will try him one last time with a nother hen If not back to the kit he will go. Too bad as he is a good bird and a good producing
backgroud.
I left him 2 months wich each hen.
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SALAS LOFT
Last Edited by on May 07, 2008 10:49 AM
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birdman
554 posts
May 07, 2008
11:44 AM
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Try trimming the feathers around his vent.
Russ
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tucknroll
33 posts
May 07, 2008
1:22 PM
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Qucikspin,
Are you breeding from IBP'S If so thier in itself lies the problem. Oh for those of you that don't know the abbreviation (Individual Breeding Pen's) If you have which most do wire floor in the cages you must put a small piece of 1/4 inch plywood about 8 inches in width and the width of your cage. This will give the hen support when she squats. Whats happening is the cock isn't swinging around the hen to copulate because the hen is balancing on the wire when he mounts her and dips her tail so no contact is being made. Also keep in mind that a breeder box or IBP has to be a minimum of 18 inches in height so they can move thier wings when copulating. Hope this helps.
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quickspin
585 posts
May 07, 2008
1:29 PM
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My individuals floor are from wood and are not 18" but 14" I have never had any problem with the rest of the pairs. Just with this particular cock. Click on my user name and you can see my loft.
He is on the the back which are even bigger.
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SALAS LOFT
Last Edited by on May 07, 2008 1:30 PM
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tucknroll
35 posts
May 07, 2008
3:13 PM
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Quickspin,
I just saw your set up so obviously my suggestion doesn't warrant your circumstances. Another couple of things you can try is to use iodine in the water. Iodine helps in the fertility of the birds. Also you can coat your feed with wheat germ oil and this will help with fertility as well. Just put a few spoonfuls of it on the feed in a container and shake it up until the seeds have a luster to them. The birds will not take to it right away but they will adjust over time. It also finishes them off nicely for feather conditioning. Have you bred from this cock before? If not let him rear a set of youngsters and that will kick him in gear sometimes as well. I trust he wasn't on any strong antibiotics such as baytril before you paired him up. Just thinking out loud here.
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quickspin
587 posts
May 07, 2008
3:21 PM
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I gave him a fertility tablet today and will give him one every day in till the hen laids the eggs. If this doesn't help I guess he is bad and will use him as a kit bird.
I will also try giving him the oil you said in the food.
Thanks
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SALAS LOFT
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Mount Airy Lofts
728 posts
May 07, 2008
3:34 PM
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Yes, very common in some highly inbred families. That is some thing I look down on and will cull every thing bred from it from the breeding loft. I made it a common rule for my hens to last at least 10 years and my cocks to last at least 15. It is very common to see a 20 year old cock still filling the eggs in the family of birds I am working with. I hope that holds true in future years.
It can get complicated raising these birds. Not only do they have to do it right in the air... they have to do the same in the breeding loft.
Thor
P.S. You may have a Parathypoid (probably mis spelled) problem?
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Santandercol
2449 posts
May 07, 2008
9:46 PM
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birdman russ hit it probably.too much feathers around his vent.common problem.----------
Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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smoke747
1068 posts
May 07, 2008
11:24 PM
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quickspin, give me a call or come see me.
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
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pure roller
34 posts
May 07, 2008
11:46 PM
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QuickSpin Thats the best thing you can do is to fly him. For some reason it stimulates them. I guess it helps them physicaly mature which results into better results in the breeding loft. Believe it or not i'm breeding from birds as old as 1991 to 1993. I use to home the old breeders .Then fly them with the babies. Then put them back into the breeder with a hen who was a virgin. Or you may want to pay smoke 747 a visit. I've witness his success with this problem. My friend had a hen with the same problem and he fix it.
Last Edited by on May 07, 2008 11:54 PM
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Bigjavy
2 posts
May 19, 2008
10:32 AM
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I tried fertility pills from Jedds and they worked. you should try that. hit me up Bigjavy1017@aol.com
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