silver tail
315 posts
May 08, 2008
8:22 PM
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Does any one here breed from or know how I can contact Mr. Roe?
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rollerpigeon1963
252 posts
May 08, 2008
8:32 PM
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Hey Silver,
Joe lives close to me, We use to visit Joe and John a lot when this area was booming in the roller hobby. But Joe got out of rollers back in 1996 and since then retired from the laborers local. WE ask Joe a few times if he ever would get back into the hobby and he always said I don't believe I ever will again. It was a sad day when Joe got out.
There isn't many still flying the Roe birds. I believe Steve Sissel and a few up north might be flying them but you don't hear much about the Roe birds.
I know they wasn't for the new guy, what I mean they were hard to get right on fly day. I worked with the Roe birds from 1994 until 2002 and switched families.
I think Richard Miller still has some of the old 327 {oddside} blood from Joe. Richard received 577 from Joe when Joe got out and I know 577 was a true stock cock.
But to find a true Roe bird it would be 12 years old right now so your search might be a little rough.
Best of luck
Brian Middaugh
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silver tail
316 posts
May 08, 2008
8:37 PM
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I have a cock and your right he's 12 do you think Joe still has his records. I would like to see just what this cock is I have some nice birds off him I crossed him to my main family and there nice.
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rollerpigeon1963
253 posts
May 08, 2008
8:40 PM
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Silver,
I have a copy of Joes records, Brett McCormick received the books and copied the last 5 years or so. Richard Miller has the original books. But I don't know if he still has them. I copied all of Joes records to one of my computers and they are still on there. Let me know what the band is and I will see what I can find out for you.
Thanks Brian
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rollerpigeon1963
254 posts
May 08, 2008
8:42 PM
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Silver I have 93,94 and 95 on my computer. I didn't get 96 since I didn't buy any 96 birds I bought all of his stock birds and stuff he was flying.
Thanks Brian
Last Edited by on May 08, 2008 8:53 PM
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silver tail
318 posts
May 08, 2008
8:47 PM
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Thank you the number is NBRC 96 0110 red badge cock
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BLUETT1983
155 posts
May 09, 2008
6:47 AM
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HEY Silver Tail HERE IS A PIX OF THE PAIR I GOT FROM YOU BRO . JUST PUT THE AN THE KIT BOX BRO THEY READY TO BE PUT TO WORK LOL
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silver tail
323 posts
May 09, 2008
7:00 AM
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They look nice keep me posted I'll be down next week to check you out.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2359 posts
Dec 19, 2008
6:59 AM
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I herd Joe roes birds were some of the best from the north east.......
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silver tail
688 posts
Dec 19, 2008
7:25 AM
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Hey Rudy I also heard the same an this cock I have is realy nice for a old man going to work him over time this year.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2360 posts
Dec 19, 2008
8:46 AM
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U have a pic u can post ???
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silver tail
689 posts
Dec 19, 2008
8:52 AM
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I will try and take one today of him
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BOO
36 posts
Dec 19, 2008
10:13 AM
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Hey,Silver tail my father in law told me he met you in home depot the other day and he told you about me flying out of Lakewood.I'd like to meet you and see what I need to do to become a master birdman such as yourself.
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Alohazona
520 posts
Dec 19, 2008
11:13 AM
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I have heard great things about the Roe birds,frequent and very deep.The body conformation is top shelf.I believe Richard Miller is the one to contact.....Aloha,Todd
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JBow
26 posts
Dec 19, 2008
11:43 AM
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Richard Miller is about out of birds. I have some of the old roe stuff. Been flying them since 2006. I have a daughter off the 577 cock. To me there second to none. There not that hard to fly if you know what your doing. Richard and I sent birds to Don Lopez on ohahu Hi. Don said he's only going to breed out of the birds we sent him. There doing good for him. Jim Bowen Kansas
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2367 posts
Dec 19, 2008
1:14 PM
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How u been Jim................
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silver tail
690 posts
Dec 19, 2008
1:27 PM
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For sure Boo anytime im around during the week leave me your e-mail address.
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Sunflower
14 posts
Dec 19, 2008
1:32 PM
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Hey JBow, what part of Kansas are you located in. I'm in Leavenworth. Joe Beach
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JBow
28 posts
Dec 19, 2008
9:56 PM
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Hi Rudy. I 'm doing ok just freezing lol. I hope the birds are doing ok for you. Jim
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2371 posts
Dec 20, 2008
6:44 AM
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I herd Joe roes were hardestys and hardesty made his own family from......Turner /Some old school roller guy in up state New York ....???.......back when i was in diapers.....lol
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BOO
37 posts
Dec 22, 2008
9:56 AM
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sivertail sorry for the delay but you can hit me at skeetaroc1@aol.com.looking forward to linking up with you
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silver tail
697 posts
Dec 22, 2008
11:23 AM
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cool BOO i'll hit you
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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Jan 03, 2009
5:13 PM
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quality
84 posts
Jan 04, 2009
4:57 AM
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Hey Brian, Richard Miller you speak of, is he a retired state trooper?
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Yours in the Hobby
Don Lunau
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rollerpigeon1963
283 posts
Jan 04, 2009
5:25 AM
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Don,
Yes Richard is a retired Ohio State Trooper.
Brian
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quality
86 posts
Jan 04, 2009
5:40 AM
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I met Richard with Ron Kumaro. they came up to judge are World Fly, back in 97 or 98, I believe I got to the fly offs that year.
Never saw Richards birds fly, but was to Ron's a few times. I learned a lot about birds at Ron's. Ron I believe was flying Hardesty's birds.
RON KUMARO is great man & should be honored as a roller contributer.
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Yours in the Hobby
Don Lunau
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2427 posts
Jan 04, 2009
5:41 PM
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So Brian are Rom Kumhros birds Harderstys ???
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sundance
1008 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:42 PM
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I saw Richards birds in the 06 fall fly. I went with the judge that year, 5 states. Richard Millers birds were probably the best I seen that week. If I remember right, he won a Qualifier position but backed out of the finals for personal reasons. Great man, great birds...
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Scott
1404 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:56 PM
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No Rudy ,from Houghton originaly
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Just my Opinion
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Leo
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78 posts
Jan 05, 2009
9:58 AM
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I know Joe got straight Smith and Plona youngsters,several times fron Harry Ashcraft,in Middletown,Ohio about 2 yrs before he won,which leaves a question,,were these birds flown in his kit,, or their offspring flown???.. Harry flew top shelf Pensoms....LEO
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Steve S.
94 posts
Jan 06, 2009
2:30 PM
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Leo,
I talked to Joe and he said none of Harrys birds were in the makeup of his 93 W/C kit.
He said they were from 1-81 bird some 84-85 and a couple 90 birds.
I have raised some good spinners from a few pair from 90-94- and some birds Joe gave his nephew Steve Gamble.
John Bender has some Roe decendants and 2 other guys
in our area of southern Ohio.
A fella in Kansas has some good ones from Rich Miller.
Richard said he let 1 guy have"sold" most of his breeders.
Steve S.
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Richard
105 posts
Jan 07, 2009
8:10 AM
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thanks Steve for clearing up some of the miss information.
The birds Joe flew in the WC in 1993 were all Hardesty blood line that Joe raised. I am not sure but think there were some of Joe"s black family might have been in the kit but don't think so. Allmost all the WC birds were 1992 yearlings that he flew.
Leo I would be interested to know who you are. Don't remember a Leo who flew in that area. As far a Pensom birds I would imagine most of the rollers in the US have some back ground of birds that passed through Mr Pensoms hand. I am not aware of Mr Pensoms having started a family of rollers such as The Higgins,Houton and several other in the states who made a family of rollers. Pensoms birds were mostly birds that he got from others. Mr Pensom probably did more to promote the Birmingham Roller in this country than all the others together. At this time in the roller hobby he was a God send.
Rilchard M
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JBow
31 posts
Jan 07, 2009
11:01 AM
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HI Richard. All the breeders are looking super good. The 577 hen went through a really good molt and she is looking super. If we get another couple weeks of mild weather I'll pair them up. I've been able to fly the young birds with no problems. I'll call you this weekened. Jim Bowen
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2428 posts
Jan 10, 2009
9:32 AM
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Jim Sherwood called me this morning he said 577 was a superb bird.....
Also said 557 bluecheck self cock and 517 hen was awesome....
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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Feb 10, 2009
8:56 AM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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Feb 14, 2009
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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Feb 15, 2009
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Lipper
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Feb 15, 2009
4:53 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Rudy,
I would really enjoy talking to you sometime about this family of birds..
Mike
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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Jul 05, 2009
11:02 AM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2765 posts
Aug 27, 2009
2:15 AM
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Does anybody know Sam saieva from pittsburgh herd his a great guy and fly great birds ???
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2774 posts
Aug 28, 2009
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nicksiders
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3632 posts
Aug 28, 2009
8:28 PM
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Jay and Aubrey Thibodeaux have some Joe Row stuff going on with thier families. I believe Jay has a 14 year old cock of Joe's
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donnie james
675 posts
Aug 28, 2009
9:59 PM
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577 bird died here a few years ago and i talk to richard miller about 2 months ago all he flying if i ain't mistaken joe's old black line and old almond line ............donny james
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2912 posts
Dec 13, 2009
4:31 AM
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Thx Donnie for info....
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2914 posts
Dec 21, 2009
6:23 PM
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NBRC-88H-110
NBRC 88 H-1
319 324
319 ODDSIDE COCK
NBRC H 64 COCK
NBRC H 55 HEN
NBRC 84- 62 61
NBRC 86-818-824
RICHARD U REMEBER A ANDALUSION COCK 1601?
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Richard
125 posts
Dec 24, 2009
12:05 AM
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No I don't remember 1601.
I do remember the other band numbers. Some very good breeders in there.
I really never flew much of the andalusion birds. they had lot of roll and were fast, and deep.
319-324 were the parents of 577 and many other birds as good as he was
Richard
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