Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2489 posts
May 13, 2008
8:26 AM
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I would like to breed white bar Ruby Rollers. Now THAT would BE RARE! Could I get more money for them?
Will they roll? Or will that be rare too? Thanks in advance for any advice.
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silver tail
377 posts
May 13, 2008
8:50 AM
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Hey Tony I don't have any advise but if what you have is not broke why fix it. I don't think you'll get any more money then the head ache of trying to change something thats not in what you have already. Good Luck no matter what.
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elopez
1328 posts
May 13, 2008
8:54 AM
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I agree with Silver.
However Spanky has some white bars. I think he uses them as fosters though. Not sure where he got them from but he said the breeder did have some very nice ones in the air. Maybe you guys can trade some ruby's for some white bars. LOL.
White bars look nice so you may get a bit more for them but that's if their performance is up to par with your Ruby's.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
Last Edited by on May 13, 2008 8:57 AM
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3757
736 posts
May 13, 2008
8:55 AM
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Tony - I hope you are joking?
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elopez
1330 posts
May 13, 2008
8:57 AM
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I'm sure he is Laron...lol
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
Last Edited by on May 13, 2008 2:30 PM
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crystalpalace
344 posts
May 13, 2008
11:03 AM
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The light powdered blue white bar rollers were very popular but only a few bred and flew them. I saw a few that could perform decent but the majority were poor performers. A good breeder would have a better chance to succeed in breeding and flying quality white bars. Brian Van Buskirk is presently breeding and flying white bars in California. It was at least fifty years ago that I saw my first white bars. Ray Sanchez.
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BA Rollers
12 posts
May 13, 2008
12:28 PM
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Tony, just locate a few blue white bar rollers that are proven in the air. Being Od (dominant opal) you could raise white bar Ruby Rollers in one generation, though they would only be half your blood line. Its very easy to do, but I know you wouldn't do such a thing.
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victor1967
51 posts
May 13, 2008
12:47 PM
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jagloft.com has light blue white bars baldies
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Scott
540 posts
May 13, 2008
5:47 PM
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If they are purebreed there is only one way to get them,there just simply no other way, but then I think that you already know that LOL
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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MILO
1009 posts
May 13, 2008
5:55 PM
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LOL
Tony is on a mission.
c
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glenn
119 posts
May 13, 2008
6:00 PM
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I started to, but why should I comment........Glenn
If I remember there was a fanicer who lived in your neck of the woods who raised Silver White Bar Badges, (70's) talk to Ray Sanchez he will remember. If you are serious about this then the greed factor is taking over......Glenn
Last Edited by on May 13, 2008 6:03 PM
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rollsoffury
118 posts
May 13, 2008
10:02 PM
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Just knowing white bars aren't true birminghams I would not consider them. just my opinion
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Roll it
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DeepSpinLofts
731 posts
May 13, 2008
11:14 PM
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White Bars?
NOTE: "It is certain that colors and markings cannot be cultivated without a decided loss in the quality of deep spinning".
**W.H. Pensom
...also
"To clarify my findings, so far as color goes, I refer to reds, yellows and whites and combinations of the same... as soft colors... and denoting weakness of character as well.
Blue checkers, red checkers and duns, I call the hard colors and which I believe are indicative of stronger character. It is among these latter colored birds we find the most stabilized spinners, whereas among the soft colors we find the unstable spinner."
**W.H. Pensom
Last Edited by on May 13, 2008 11:15 PM
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Bill C
96 posts
May 13, 2008
11:19 PM
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I think Tony has secretly taken a poll, you know who will respond, who will take him serious. RARE LOL will they roll LOL. Who knows genetics ect. How many women will vote for Hilery as asposed to how many Democrats will cross over and vote for McCain, you know that kind of stuff. Hey California taxes its citizens with out them even knowing it. It's called the Lottery. That dream vacation you want to take to Hawaii that has cost you $18,000.00 dollars so far. Think about it.
OK I'm guessing Tony has too much time on his hands, lets all order something to keep him busy this week. I recomend the books by Pemsom and WInners with Spinners and a flag, stop using that empy feed sack on the end of a hoe. Bill C
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smoke747
1114 posts
May 13, 2008
11:38 PM
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He's kidding
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
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rollsoffury
122 posts
May 14, 2008
8:58 AM
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Is he?
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Roll it
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2500 posts
May 14, 2008
9:20 AM
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Am I?
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Fire_Baller_916
267 posts
May 14, 2008
1:47 PM
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I think Tony is serious...LOL...
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Chai Seng
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SiDLoVE
231 posts
May 14, 2008
2:24 PM
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I got the answer....Can someone get a pic of Tonys bird and paint a white bar and see how the birds looks first>? Then well decide if we should help Tony out ..lmao...
siDLove*
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2502 posts
May 14, 2008
3:45 PM
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I don't know, am I?
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Velo99
1730 posts
May 14, 2008
4:27 PM
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Tony might possibly be interested in a white bar as an experiement,note possibly. I would think that he has enough on his plate trying to keep all his frogs in the jar that I doubt he is serious. It would be like Billings posting a pic of his new opal toy stencil foundation cockbird.
T is a purist in every since of the word. He pursued the lines with the best genetics and purest bloodlines to insure that the Ruby`s would produce in kind even unflown. For him to breed for non performance trait is unbelieveable.
However, on paper the genetics can be plotted and a relatively close conclusion to how many generations and what birds would be needed to produce the white barred roller.
Anyone, Dave?
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V99
Keep the best. Eat the rest.
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kopetsa
669 posts
May 14, 2008
4:33 PM
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That would be cool :D
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Andrew
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ezeedad
516 posts
May 14, 2008
6:04 PM
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You might as well, Tony... You can't get 'em DNA checked anyway... LOL...!!
Gomez
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Ty Coleman
271 posts
May 14, 2008
6:10 PM
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He could put a reduced blue bar cock on one of his hens and start a pastel colord bar which sometimes apears white and reduced is a natural color not rare.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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black_hawk_down
111 posts
May 14, 2008
6:25 PM
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Breed with an ice pigeon...lol...-joe
Last Edited by on May 14, 2008 6:30 PM
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Velo99
1741 posts
May 14, 2008
7:41 PM
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KGB`s favorite the ice pigeon. I found this excerpt interesting.
Before drawing this composition to an end, I should answer a question that was put to me in regards to my relationship with Ice Pigeons. Being asked to assess my contribution to the breed isn't an easy query to answer. As far as the breed in general is concerned, I do think that I've been able to help more than just a few fanciers learn something about them. I'm also somewhat sure that my muffed family of Ice helped some fanciers to either get a fairly nice start in them or my birds helped to improve their own stud. But I feel that my involvement in clean legged Ice Pigeons in the United States has been my greatest contribution. Since my restart in Ice I looked for clean legs and while I managed to locate Forellens it wasn't until 1983 that White Barreds and Barless were added to my loft. These were imports that were included with the many rare performing breeds that Dan Konen brought into the country. Up until that time, the vast majority of non Forellen clean legs that could be found were, for a lack of more descriptive words, very poor in quality. Prior to the imports, crosses between Damascenes and other breeds were being passed off as clean legged Ice. While some people might say that a Damascene's outer plumage coloration is pretty close to an Ice's, the Damascene's other features are very unlike those of an Ice Pigeon. The results of these crosses and other experiments left much to be desired. But with the imports this changed. The imports had certain faults, but by using key muffed Ice and culling with a very heavy hand, I was rewarded with some very outstanding youngsters. Many of these youngsters not only won the Ice classes at shows, they also went on to bring home the title of Champion Rare at many of the Rare Breeds Pigeon Club meets that were held on the east coast. And as I mentioned earlier in this article, I made use of my Barless clean legs to improve the ground coloration of my Forellens.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1216 posts
May 15, 2008
3:58 AM
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Kenny. No Comment. David
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2506 posts
May 15, 2008
8:16 AM
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Hey Kenny, sounds like the writing style of KD Spurling. Who is it?
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rollingline33
127 posts
Sep 20, 2008
8:22 PM
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his kidding!! are you?
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kopetsa
1579 posts
Sep 20, 2008
8:28 PM
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Cool if he wasn't eh?
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Andrew
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George R.
1018 posts
Sep 20, 2008
9:34 PM
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Tony good luck with your white bars .
I would like to see your kit when you got all those white bars in there.
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jnyce
272 posts
Sep 21, 2008
8:07 PM
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i have i a silver hen with white bars that im going to try on a saddle back
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jerry t
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maxspin
260 posts
Sep 22, 2008
8:03 AM
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Tony,
First you would have to find some "nice" white bars. Then very quietly purchase them.
Next you would claim that you had a mutation in your loft. LOOK EVERYBODY!!!
Chango Presto…. White Bar Ruby Rollers.
OR
Find some rare color rollers enjoy flying them for what they are, and sell them as what they are.
Have fun with your project
or
Have fun………
Um…….
Keith
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2808 posts
Sep 22, 2008
10:26 AM
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Hey Max, I am NOT going to develop white bars, my post was a joke...(LOL?)
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black_hawk_down
143 posts
Sep 22, 2008
11:12 AM
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butt i seriously wanted a white bar...lol...jk tony
Last Edited by on Sep 22, 2008 2:07 PM
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maxspin
261 posts
Sep 22, 2008
11:41 AM
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Tony,
I know it was a joke.....
I was just having a little fun as well.
Keith
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2809 posts
Sep 22, 2008
3:44 PM
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lol, hey man, I think some really thought this was true!?!? I think I should take this down. No?
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kopetsa
1597 posts
Sep 22, 2008
6:08 PM
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I'm not gonna lie, if you had a white bar for sale, I would buy it.. lol
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Andrew
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