maxspin
236 posts
May 21, 2008
10:16 AM
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I have been reading how some over here believe that we Americans are pushing the breed forward.
So I have done a little research on how the "American" roller has done against the world.
Here are the results for the World Cup for the past 5 years Finals Fly offs:
2007 Finalists Top 10
U.S. 40 57% 4 40%
World 29 43% 6 60%
2006 Finalists Top 10
U.S. 41 59% 3 30%
World 28 41% 7 70%
2005 Finalists Top 10
U.S. 36 54% 3 30%
World 30 46% 7 70%
2004 Finalists Top 10
U.S. 40 58% 6 60%
World 29 42% 4 40%
2003 Finalists Top 10
U.S. 35 62% 3 30%
World 21 38% 7 70%
My research seem to show that the "American" roller is not fairing well compaired to the rest of the world.
Keith Maxwell
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elopez
1395 posts
May 21, 2008
10:47 AM
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Keith,
You are comparing American rollers versus the world. I think if you were to compare any country vs. the world you would get the same results. It appears that USA has a good portion of flyers in the top 10 every year and this is with the bad flying conditions and time. Now imagine what the percentage would be if we flew in BOP free conditions and without tough weather conditions.
A few finalist had teams that would be top teams but because of their losses to the bops or because of the horrible weather they didn't do so well. I'm sure everyone else has some of the same conditions but I don't think there as bad as it is here in the US. Just my opinion...
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elopez
1396 posts
May 21, 2008
10:53 AM
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Now when you compare USA to other countries, it shows USA has the most almost every year out of the top 10.
Now that is an equal statistic.
USA all the way!!!
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Scott
624 posts
May 21, 2008
12:56 PM
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We are getting our asses handed to us , we carry what, 2/3rds of the finals kits ? and yet well below 50 0/0 of the top ten finalists.
part of the problem is quite a few weak regions make up some of it , while more competitive regions don't have the qualifiers to get in better kits, which would dance circles around the best kits in the weak regions.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on May 21, 2008 12:58 PM
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fhtfire
1362 posts
May 21, 2008
1:09 PM
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Scott,
You are so right!! We have been getting our asses whooped!....Look at how many fliers we have compared to the other countries...and you are so right about the other regions..look at the Southern Cal areas...you have some top fliers and you can only take two...I bet in that region...you could take the top 6 or 7 kits and they would be up there....Second...The fact is....the "Best" Teams are not represented in the W/C fly.
The other fact is that it is all about "Any given Sunday".....you have that one day to hope your birds have it.....the best kit does not always go to the fly because of one bad day...anyway...this is what makes it fun...but anyway....
rock and ROLL
Paul
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JMUrbon
472 posts
May 21, 2008
1:27 PM
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The US as a hole has had a difficult time showing their best for a long time. There are probably 30 kits in the So Cal area alone that could easily be in the finals but due to the quailfier restraints per region they never get there. However I am sure the same is found in the other participating countries. Look at South Africa. There are some huge regions over there and they seem to have been doing very well lately. all it takes is one hawk/falcon or a windy day or some other cause of nature and your chances are gone. I always figured there was only a handful of paricipants that thought they actually had a chance and the rest are just hoping for a good showing. Joe Urbon
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SiDLoVE
238 posts
May 21, 2008
3:13 PM
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I'm Proud to say 2 Thunderbirds members from our club came 4th and 5th last year on the world cup. 4th place Dave Vang ,,,5th Aris Punla not bad coming out of the same club . Both have bops problems and any other problem we all have .A Champion never has it easy thats part of being a Champion... weak regions ..strong regions...a Champion will Always rise to the TOP!!!
siDLove
Last Edited by on May 21, 2008 4:03 PM
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kcfirl
434 posts
May 21, 2008
3:17 PM
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Scott,
I agree with you on this one - but mainly American pigeon flyers lack the discipline that our European friends have. Myself included.
All the BS about hawks, weather, waa , waa , whaa, is just that.
Regards,
Ken
PS. Hmm no fancy colors = higher % top 10 placements? Is that a causal relationship or merely correlated?
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ezeedad
559 posts
May 21, 2008
5:14 PM
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Sidlove,
I know something about the Thunderbirds club, up there around Fresno... They are really on top of all aspects of flying their birds with competition as their goal. I met David at thr last show I went to.
Thet are flying Arnold Jackson/Juan Navarro family of birds and are concentrating on quality, not just breaks. Speed and style are most important for them.
Their training and feeding prograsms are tight and well thought out.
But, from what I hear, they do not have nearly as bad a BOP problem as here in the Los Angeles area.
Gomez
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Santandercol
2534 posts
May 21, 2008
7:10 PM
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CANADA ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Scott
630 posts
May 21, 2008
8:28 PM
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(CANADA ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Canada "used" to rock LOL
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Scott
631 posts
May 21, 2008
8:36 PM
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Paul, the "Thunderbirds" got their name by the wine they buy in gallon jugs LOL
Actualy Joes E. foundation pair was Navarro and a bird from Decker if I remember right, and they absolutly due fly some nice birds down there.
I flew against those guys for years in the regional flys and have been down there judging more than a few times,they are very dedicated and hardcore flyers.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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elopez
1399 posts
May 21, 2008
8:46 PM
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Scott,
I beleive the foundation bird was a Navarro/Keith London cross. I might be wrong but I believe that's what Sid told me.
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Scott
635 posts
May 21, 2008
9:40 PM
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Efren , Sid drinks too much Thunderbird LOL , Joe is a good friend and we went toe to toe for quite a few years. It was from Decker, I suspect out of the Sammy Williams stuff that he had,that I'm not sure of though.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Santandercol
2535 posts
May 21, 2008
10:04 PM
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Scott,
"Canada used to rock"
Take heed man,as we rise from the ashes to rule the world again!!!!!!!!!!
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Kel.
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elopez
1401 posts
May 21, 2008
10:15 PM
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You must be right then. Funny Sid never mentioned Tim when he talked about the family. He told me that the Navarro bird was out of a Navarro and London cross. He must have been drinking then...lol
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Efren Lopez
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Scott
641 posts
May 21, 2008
10:15 PM
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Kelly, I hope you guys do !
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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SiDLoVE
239 posts
May 21, 2008
11:50 PM
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Efren ....the Male was a bird Decker brought to Joe..and the dun hen was off a bird Juan bred...london/juan/norwood.... they made a daugther band #200 hen...shes on a Juan Male #310 and thats his foundation pair...Joe breeds over 100 birds a year...he took time to select what he has now..lots of hard work ,,time and years ...good luck.
siDLove
Last Edited by on May 21, 2008 11:52 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2538 posts
May 22, 2008
3:27 AM
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PS. Hmm no fancy colors = higher % top 10 placements? Is that a causal relationship or merely correlated?
"...popular fallacy that correlation proves causation".
not my quote
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Last Edited by on May 22, 2008 3:28 AM
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Santandercol
2536 posts
May 22, 2008
5:45 AM
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Hey Scott,
Kick -ss in the finals,eh!!!Best of luck.
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Kel.
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elopez
1403 posts
May 22, 2008
8:20 AM
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Thanks for the info Sid. Have the Thunder bird flown for the w/c?
Good luck to all.
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Scott
643 posts
May 22, 2008
9:10 AM
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Efren, they should be flying right now as I type this from my desk at 9:08 ,Dave was flying 9 ish.
Man it's blowing hard here and I assume they are getting hit the same,not a good day to fly, I hope it lays down before I fly in the morning.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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elopez
1405 posts
May 22, 2008
9:23 AM
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I hope the weather is much better tomorrow. Good luck!
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Square
324 posts
May 22, 2008
12:42 PM
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Yea Sid sure would have liked to fly along side of some of the greats you mentioned, nothing like working hard and livin so far..I know those top guys are prettie savy when it comes to lockin down their birds.. but we are fortunate as we live in the tru "migratory bird belt' the guy's in L.A got it bad with the placed B.O.P our problems live in the mountains their problems live in the hood on buildings...LOL Ill be ready next time, P.S still lookin for a home.,
TRULY, Square...
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