bertie
273 posts
May 23, 2008
8:04 AM
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This was posted once all ready down the list. Too long to read then too.
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Tony Chavarria
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2547 posts
May 23, 2008
8:17 AM
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Hey Bertie, so I take from your comment that you did not read it. I truly hope the more enthusiastic amongst us who desire to see the Roller Pigeon outlive us all, don't share your attitude. I have a feeling that most DO NOT agree with you!
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rollerman132
300 posts
May 23, 2008
8:56 AM
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USFWS false estimation of 1,000 to 2,000 raptors being killed by roller fanciers a year is just a drop in the bucket compared to amount these raptors are killing each day, now that was shocking. See what happens when a breed is allowed to over populate. Before you know it the USFWS will be paying people 5 bucks a head to kill them, these dumb ass’s better get on the ball before it’s to late. Good article, thanks for sharing.
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Shaun
609 posts
May 23, 2008
9:25 AM
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We have had something similar going on in the UK for some time, for example: www.save-songbirds.co.uk and www.songbird-survival.org.uk. Both sites have a section on predators.
Having read this for a while now, I've found their opponents' biggest argument against their claims of songbird decimation, is the fact that the predators wouldn't be there without an adequate food source. It therefore follows that if there are large numbers of predators, then there must be very large numbers of prey. Hence, the latter can't be in decline. Of course, that argument only applies in general terms and doesn't address the claimed decline of particular songbird species, who have been more susceptible to predation.
Until the powers that be can sing from the same hymn sheet, then control of predators might be some way off. However, surely the pendulum has to swing back the other way at some point.
Shaun
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quickspin
642 posts
May 23, 2008
9:53 AM
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Not to many wild birds now compared to before. And BOP are eating just about anything they can get there feet on. Just yesterday I saw a Red Tail and 7 crows chasing him then the Red Tail grab one that dive on the him. Yes Grab him and took him to the palm tree in front of my house. Stay there for 1 minute I guess killing the crow which was moving and fighting with him. Then took off high and dive down to a park close to my house. A couple of seconds later I saw another Red Tail diving to the park where the other Red Tail was. This has been my second time seen a Red Tail grab a crow.
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chewy
98 posts
May 23, 2008
10:07 AM
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hey sippi..that was a nice post...it really shocked me how much them bop's are killing out there everyday..and again thanx for the info...
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Square
331 posts
May 23, 2008
2:18 PM
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Great info, I read in the past that the "urban BOP'S" were a type of hybred, just wondering where they fit into this study, or was it just done on the true migratory birds? Maby they didn;t includ them as they arn't migratory,, maby manmade. but they lay the hammer down on the birds in the city.. I have found that the polices and info provided by our local goverment are patchy at best..Before when I started this hobbie i thought it was just about caring for the birds Housing , food water etc. Now I have found that I might have to become study law to perserve this sport/hobbie wa all love and enjoy....LOL\
Square..
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Ty Coleman
323 posts
May 23, 2008
3:49 PM
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Paul thanks for posting this it was very informative i hope all will take the time to read it.I hope this will open a few eyes on this matter.
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Ty
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ezeedad
565 posts
May 23, 2008
4:01 PM
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Sippi,
I don't think that the writers of the study really took everything into account. In fact, they missed what is one of the biggest ecological problems...INVASIVE SPECIES.
When Europeans first came to North America, the most numerous bird was the Passenger Pigeon.. They were brobably the most numerous bird species on earth. Billions of them.
They were wiped out by man.... an amazing and sad story.
But what has done more damage to North American bird species is the introduction of the English Sparrow, which is now the most abundant North American bird. They have out competed and out bred hundreds of native birds and driven many of them into extinction.
The second most abundant North American bird is now the Starling, a major agricultural pest, and which has driven blue bird, martin and other bird populations way down..
The third most abundant N. Amer. bird is the Common Pigeon...
All three of these birds are invasive species... They have done the most damage to our native species.
Gomez
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JMUrbon
479 posts
May 23, 2008
4:08 PM
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Very interesting and a true eye opener. Joe
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