Gregg
318 posts
May 31, 2008
9:04 AM
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Val,
At 300 feet you make my point exactly. I did not like the type on the TS bird posted by Paul but I know of some that look very similar to your blue check self in type and can spin. At three hundred feet are any of us worrying about anything but performance. I think not. JMHO.
Paul,
I know you didn't breed it and didn't infer it. I was just pointing out what a trip you were going to be on convincing Scott it could spin. Smile.
I know people who are working both the frill and the toy but both are out of my league. My whole point has always been if you are going to do something, do it well. If it doesn't measure up at three hundred feet then it doesn't measure up period. That is the point that keeps us all headed for the same destination but perhaps taking a different route. The joy is in both the trip and the destination on my end.
To you both,
All I can ever say is that honesty and truth are crucial in this hobby. Anyone who is out to sell anything to a newbie under even the slightest false pretense is a bastard in my estimation. (I know you are going to censor that Val, but it is ok, point made.) We face much greater threats to our hobby now so it behooves all of us to be on the upside and honest in our dealings with everyone lest we give anyone ammunition against our good name or our avocation.
Gregg Sale.
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Scott
685 posts
May 31, 2008
10:02 AM
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Gregg, I didn't comment on that bird, but of regardless of the color you would still have a hard time convicing me that bird was a Birmingham Roller, everything was off.
As for the mutt "projects" and 300 ft, breed enough and you might get a truelly good one once in a blue moon,and even that would be a fluke as it takes the entire package, but foundation of true stock you will never get out of such birds.
As for those so called "out of your leauge" with frill and what not, that garbage isn't worth mention on a Birmingham Roller site, and for that matter niether are those mongral Toy Stencels.
All of this garbage belongs on the mutt color genetic forums and not here, at least that is my opinion.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on May 31, 2008 10:47 AM
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ezeedad
590 posts
May 31, 2008
10:37 AM
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"Paul,
I know you didn't breed it and didn't infer it. I was just pointing out what a trip you were going to be on convincing Scott it could spin. Smile."
Gregg,
You are reading too much between the lines... I was not trying to convince anyone anything about the bird in the picture. In fact, when those white bars first came out, I thought they were a bad joke.
All I was trying to do at first was to find out for myself what a toy stencil was. Then, since I went to that much trouble, I thought I would show it to others..thinking that some others wouldn't know either.
I didn't even notice anything about 300'... (I'm going to look back at that post).
And as far as me trying to convince Scott about anything... GET REAL..!!! LOL..!!
Paul G
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ezeedad
591 posts
May 31, 2008
10:46 AM
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Gregg,
Man..!! You really need to read more carefully.. Val's post said something about not seeing the difference at 300'. No one said that the bird rolled 300 feet.
This is a good example of how rumors get started... only here on this site it is all documented (unless somebody edits).
Paul G
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Gregg
319 posts
May 31, 2008
11:28 AM
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Paul,
I didn't say rolled three hundred feet. Val and I were on the same page, what do they look like at three hundred feet up when they roll.
You posted the toy stencil. You didn't breed it or fly it. The comment was rhetorical rather than literal. I will allow myself that much liberty. As a teacher you will understand.
Scott,
The mutt "projects" are coming along just fine and thank you for asking. But this garbage is here to stay. You know that deep down in your heart that there is no way in hades that you will live to see it go away. It is a pervasive, far reaching and firmly entrenched aspect of rollers now that you could not make go away if you wanted.
Where I give you your due and your right, is to maintain a highly pure family of birmingham rollers. What I won't abide is your sarcastic attitude and references to garbage and mutts. Even though coming from you that should be considered high praise. I have never made reference to any of yours or anyone's birds being junk because of what they were bred for. I may comment that I don't like the type as I did with the blue bar toy stencil, but I didnot assume that all toy stencil rollers are junk as I know better. If you are rallying against feather merchants that I can understand, but in reality you don't like any color, but what Scott says is pure, noticed or acknowledged on any site that has anything to do with your beloved Pure Birmingham Rollers. Sorry, I will not cede you that power and I am sure no one with any bit of an open mind will.
As far as people of low character who breed rollers just for a buck, hey, the world goes around and they will be here a hundred years from now still plying their B.S.
JMHO.
Gregg.
Last Edited by on May 31, 2008 11:31 AM
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Electric-man
1649 posts
May 31, 2008
12:15 PM
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Gregg, if you will email your address to me at vcreneau@teppco.com I will write you and explain my comment!I wont have time till late this evening when I get to work and get everything situated! Your friendship is to valuable to me to let this get in the way! I would rather not explain myself here though!
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Val
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Scott
686 posts
May 31, 2008
12:48 PM
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No Gregg they will not go away, there will always be those that aren't serious about the breed or flying , which ok, just not part of the Roller world that I know.
Most that I know are fairly serious about the birds , and I tend to think that everyone should be that way which I shouldn't.
Color breeding is it's own hobby, it is what it is,and they are what they are, if that gets you and your genetic buddies cookie that is cool by me.
On that thought, sorry for being so harsh, you enjoy color breeding, and in that world they aren't garbage as that is what you guys enjoy.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on May 31, 2008 12:55 PM
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Ty Coleman
343 posts
May 31, 2008
12:55 PM
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Scott, because i have indigo,reduced,opel,and brown in my loft im not serious about the breed? Is that what i just read or am i looking at this all wrong?
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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ezeedad
592 posts
May 31, 2008
1:14 PM
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Gregg,
I guess I needed to re-read what you said. I stand corrected about the content of your statement. You did mean it in the same way that Val expressed it. It looks like Scott took it the same way that I did, tho...
Gomez
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ezeedad
593 posts
May 31, 2008
1:31 PM
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Scott,
I think that you are spreading a false doctrine... You said:
"As for the mutt "projects" and 300 ft, breed enough and you might get a truelly good one once in a blue moon,and even that would be a fluke as it takes the entire package, but foundation of true stock you will never get out of such birds."
Never is a mighty long time Scott.. If the founding breeders of the BR produced the highest standard of excellence from birds of lesser quality or skill...over time, by careful selection, then the same can be done today.
As a matter of fact, it has been already been accomplished.... high quality spinners...tight families of them too...
Gomez
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Scott
689 posts
May 31, 2008
1:48 PM
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(As a matter of fact, it has been already been accomplished.... high quality spinners...tight families of them too...)
No there hasn't been Paul,a tight family of color birds that are good ? where ? who ?
As for the founding fathers ,that isn't even on the same same page let alone the same book as to what these guys are doing.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on May 31, 2008 1:55 PM
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Ty Coleman
344 posts
May 31, 2008
2:06 PM
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No there hasn't been Paul,a tight family of color birds that are good ? where ? who ?
North Carolina, Cliff Ball, Jay Yandle,do i need to go on?
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Ty Coleman
345 posts
May 31, 2008
2:09 PM
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Scott, because i have indigo,reduced,opel,and brown in my loft im not serious about the breed? Is that what i just read or am i looking at this all wrong?
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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ezeedad
594 posts
May 31, 2008
2:11 PM
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How about Turner, Randy Gibson....
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Ty Coleman
346 posts
May 31, 2008
2:13 PM
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Paul this list could get long-lol Tony Roberts--etc,etc
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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ezeedad
595 posts
May 31, 2008
2:31 PM
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Scott,
I have to agree with you on one point. Crossing from outside the breed is taking a giant backwards step.
I remember how furious Cornell Norwood was when he found out that George Gulla was crossing an outstanding spinner that he had loaned him to an archangle, believe it was.. I don't know what ever came of that project.
I doubt that anything like that took place among the founding fathers of the breed. They knew that to even cross other families of roller on their strains would undo their work.
It comes down to who knows how to choose the best birds to breed from....
and then who knows how to breed them.
Paul G
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Gregg
320 posts
May 31, 2008
5:29 PM
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Ty,
Don't forget me!
Gregg Sale
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ezeedad
596 posts
May 31, 2008
5:43 PM
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If the almond related colors count, I'll put myself in there too..
Gomez
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