155
510 posts
Jun 04, 2008
6:46 PM
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Does it matter what color they are, if they have feather feet, or crest on there heads as long as they can spin like a true birmingham roller. If I saw a kitt of muffed,crested, yellows creams or almonds stand and break for 20 to 30 feet in a tight kitt, once or twice a minute, showing great speed or even the hole I would stop and take notice. Its a new day, lets roll with the flow.I say your paying the feed bill do what You want. just maintain the quality of the roll.
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PR_rollers
1121 posts
Jun 04, 2008
6:51 PM
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shee if i saw a kit like that i would want them.forget about what i have now...roll roll roll roll roll thats what its all about..clean rolllllll
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Velo99
1812 posts
Jun 04, 2008
6:54 PM
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Gee some of you guys are a little dense. My birds my feed is a cop out.
Havent you learned anything or do you enjoy destroying the breed? Hmph!!
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Last Edited by on Jun 04, 2008 7:08 PM
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wizard
33 posts
Jun 04, 2008
7:33 PM
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ok...let me get this straight.......two germans marry...have kids..........one kid moves to japan..he marries a japanees.......they have kids.....are there kids still germans??
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PR_rollers
1124 posts
Jun 04, 2008
7:37 PM
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I say they are half and half until about 7 generations .
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Ralph
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velocity1
20 posts
Jun 04, 2008
8:24 PM
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Velo99
Gee some of you guys are a little dense. My birds my feed is a cop out.
Havent you learned anything or do you enjoy destroying the breed? Hmph!!
Who are you talking to and why would you criticize someone for asking questions?Some people are fast learners and some are slow.
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155
511 posts
Jun 04, 2008
8:38 PM
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Wizard, how do really know whats in any pigeon this far removed. Sure, there are those that keep them pure, but You really only have the persons word that we get them from. how do You explan where the muffs, crests and different colors come from? All I said was, if they were that good I'd watch them, with out looking down My nose at the Person who was flying them. Enjoy your life!
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PR_rollers
1128 posts
Jun 04, 2008
9:18 PM
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exactly eviloft i didn't see anything you wrote that says you breed for that or i wrote saying i do .just that you enjoy watching it..how does that mess up the breed.. I keep my birds pure .thats what i call them since i don't cross them with anything outside of them.they have been cross a way back already not by me.I just like anything pure ,a pure drink of water.a pure pitbull,a pure German Shephard, a truly nice pure Birmingham Roller..but what you have I will not criticize.
A man cannot control what another man does or have or do what he wants to..only control what i do..
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Velo99
1813 posts
Jun 04, 2008
11:06 PM
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Does it matter what color they are, if they have feather feet, or crest on there heads as long as they can spin LIKE a true birmingham roller. If I saw a kitt of muffed,crested, yellows creams or almonds stand and break for 20 to 30 feet in a tight kitt, once or twice a minute, showing great speed or even the hole I would stop and take notice. Its a new day, lets roll with the flow.I say your paying the feed bill do what You want. just maintain the quality of the roll.
Joe,
We just went thru 8 PAGES of in depth posts and commentaries on the exact same topic. Thats why. Guys who post crap like that obviously dont read the posts.This is a place to learn more about rollers with the combined knowledge of over 2000 members. Seems it is all for naught on occasion.
I am getting a bit drained by the endless monotony of the repeated topics simply being reworded. Some of these guys seem to think that if they ask the same question a hundred times someone might tell them they are doing a great job and keep up the good work instead of analyzing thier own programs and actually THINKING and STUDYING about a subject instead of posting some drivel,hoping for a happy shiny reply. Remember "my birds my feed...." if thats the attitude,why ask? I am not gonna inflate anyones ego.
yits
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V99
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Last Edited by on Jun 04, 2008 11:29 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2584 posts
Jun 05, 2008
6:36 AM
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Hey All, at this point in history of the BR, NO ONE can say with indisputable proof that he has "pure" blooded Birmingham Rollers.
However, I know there are several top name and legendary breeders alive today who probably actually have the real deal in their lofts.
The pertinent question for each one of us today, is this: "do we personally breed toward performance in all our matings? Or do we violate the standard by breeding for traits that have nothing to do with the breed standard"? (muffs, crests, colors, etc)
To me, there are 2 kinds of roller breeders, those who breed their stock toward the Birmingham Roller standard and those that don't.
I would not question at this point if a crest or color can roll to the "true" standard. (This is truly a distraction form the REAL question which I will bring up shortly) I would simply warn that not every roller fancier breeds his stock toward the BR standard.
Some have stopped breeding toward the BR standard the moment they paired birds to accentuate non-performance traits in thier birds. (muffs, crests, colors, etc)
I am certainly not saying he cannot do this, his feed bill his backyard, his legacy.
In my view, the fall-out that is coming as a result of the 8 page "great debate" thread that velo99 referred to, is that we are now going to have a new paradigm. A new way of looking at the issue...
The question in the future will not be and should not be one of "are color rollers capable of rolling to the standard"?, but this:
do you and have you always bred your stock
to the performance standard of the Birmingham Roller?
For this is the REAL existential question that will preserve the True Birmingham Roller for us now and those that follow us in the future.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Last Edited by on Jun 05, 2008 6:37 AM
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