JMUrbon
505 posts
Jun 05, 2008
1:08 PM
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I lost a truely great bird today that has been the backbone of my breeding program for the last 10 years. This bird exemplified what I consider a foundation bird. Everything in my loft these days goes back to him in one way or the other. A very sad day for me. Joe Urbon
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Last Edited by on Jun 05, 2008 1:11 PM
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rtwilliams
63 posts
Jun 05, 2008
1:10 PM
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A nice looking bird. I sympathize with your loss.
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RT Williams
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Square
356 posts
Jun 05, 2008
1:16 PM
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What happend Joe? old age I hope... bummer for your loss..
Square
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JMUrbon
506 posts
Jun 05, 2008
1:22 PM
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Thanks Rt,
Mark , yes he was comming up on 11 years which really isn't that old compared to some but this bird had been bred very hard sometimes 14-16 young a year for some 5-6 years straight.Surely I fostered when I could but he was well used. His mother produced til she was 13 but he just didnt make it that long. He is well represented in my stock loft so he did me well. Joe
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kcfirl
446 posts
Jun 05, 2008
1:24 PM
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Joe,
sorry to hear that. It's always weird when an older breeder cock is fine one day and dead in the morning.
I hope one of his boys will prove to be everything he was and more.
sincerely,
Ken
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Square
357 posts
Jun 05, 2008
1:31 PM
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Right on Joe I tell you this much,, you have the eye and experence,,, so I know you will be looking hard for a replacement,,, fortunantly for you, you wont have to go beyond your back yard... LOL good luck Broski!!!
Square...
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
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JMUrbon
507 posts
Jun 05, 2008
1:33 PM
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I tell you Ken if one of his sons is half the producer he was I would be happy but actually I had a son of his from his first year in stock # 35 NCRC 98 that was just as good and just as valuable as he but he stopped producing last year at Dave's house. I have 6 of his direct offspring in the stock loft and another 4 grandkids too boot. They will do me a good job Im sure. That was one of his greatest attributes. His offspring were good producers of roll. Joe
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birdman
592 posts
Jun 05, 2008
1:35 PM
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Joe, sorry to hear that. That was truly a special bird.
Russ
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JMUrbon
508 posts
Jun 05, 2008
1:40 PM
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You know Russ there is a story behind him also. I never really planned to stock this bird. I should say as soon as I did. He was not even a year old when a falcon hit him and ripped his back open really bad. I stitched him up but really didnt expect him to live. he was a really nice 25 footer but way too young to stock but while he was heeling he paired up with a hen I had and those 2 produce some really terrific birds. One of which was # 35 and after that he had a permanent home. Joe Urbon
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birdman
593 posts
Jun 05, 2008
4:07 PM
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That's a cool story on his beginnings Joe. You were fortunate to realize what a gift this bird was and use him to his full potential.
A few of my best ones carry his blood.
Thanks for sharing his offspring,
Russ
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PR_rollers
1140 posts
Jun 05, 2008
4:18 PM
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Sorry to hear your lost Joe ,I know they will be others behind him but all and all its not the same when you know and have that special one and that he's been around for a long time with you..that hurts...he is where all good birds go .take care..
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Ralph
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JMUrbon
518 posts
Jun 05, 2008
5:38 PM
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Thanks PR,
Russ,
Glad to hear that some of his are working for you. He will always be on my mind. I have had many good birds over the years but this one was truely special.Like you said It was almost like he was sent to me with a purpose. I just hope I get home soon so that I can get the birds working again. Until then I am offering all the help I can to my son. He loves tha birds but he also loves to play if you know what I mean.
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Gregg
323 posts
Jun 05, 2008
7:45 PM
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Joe,
Sorry to see 904 is no longer with the living. He was a grandson to your 959 cock bird if I remember what you posted earlier. I know only too well what it is like when a good one dies. I hope one of his progeny fills his shoes.
Gregg.
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Norm_Knox
185 posts
Jun 05, 2008
8:04 PM
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Man I admired that bird Joe! Sorry to hear the bad news. Keep ur head up man because he got you FAR, and gave you all he could! Once again Joe, sorry about your loss!!!
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Electric-man
1678 posts
Jun 05, 2008
8:27 PM
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Sorry for your loss Joe! I see 904 all in the backgrounds of my bird's peds! He must have been something!
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crystalpalace
366 posts
Jun 05, 2008
8:30 PM
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Joe #904 cock must have been very young when we last met. I suppose #959 must have been in the stock pen along with your other stock birds. It is definely a bummer when a stock bird of that magnitude is no longer in the stock pen. Sorry to hear of your loss,Joe. Ray Sanchez.
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silver tail
457 posts
Jun 05, 2008
8:41 PM
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Sorry for your loss loe I hate to think of that happening to me but my main cock is getting up there also he's9yr old And I have run him hard also for about the last five or six years this year I 3/4 him just in case life does happen. Again sorry for your loss.
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JMUrbon
520 posts
Jun 05, 2008
9:05 PM
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Yes he was 959's grandson and 959 was also a wonderful producer. I only bred from 959 for about 4 years and then I had to let the birds go to Dave Hendersons for a few years due to work and that is were 959 died. Dave spread his oats all around in those few years. He was another really great producer.Here is a good photo of 959. Joe
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silent187
116 posts
Jun 06, 2008
12:24 PM
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damn where can i get a bird like that id be down to trade????
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JMUrbon
523 posts
Jun 06, 2008
1:04 PM
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I bred him back in 1989. I sure would like to have had a bunch like him thats for sure.LOL.Funny how they keep replacing themselves. Joe
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kopetsa
808 posts
Jun 06, 2008
2:46 PM
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I am so sorry to hear that Joe. That truly sucks.. but you know Don't worry, you have his offspring!
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Andrew
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tapp
583 posts
Jun 06, 2008
3:35 PM
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Soory to hear Joe,Like some have said Joe you'll have another to fill his shoe's from your own loft! 959 looks SupperCharged!!!!!
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Tapp
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nicksiders
2817 posts
Jun 06, 2008
5:50 PM
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Joe,
Sorry to hear your loss. The bird looked good and felt good in the hand.
Nick
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Werstler
70 posts
Jun 06, 2008
6:37 PM
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Joe sorry about your bird, its hard loosing a good breeder one that has been in your loft for years. its happened to me. I'm just glad I have alot of his young birds still around. but every time I look at a pedigree I'll see his band and think "DAM" Werstler
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Mount Airy Lofts
756 posts
Jun 06, 2008
11:42 PM
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Joe sorry to hear that. All ways a set back to lose such a key bird. I'm glad to hear he lived such a long life.
Thor
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DeepSpinLofts
1477 posts
Jul 06, 2009
6:37 PM
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Wow Joe.... #904 must have been a dynamite rolling pigeon! Sounds like the type of pre-potent specimen we all would like to have in our lofts for a decade.
Hmm....
I may have a drop of that blood somewhere in my loft being how many of us Northern California roller fanciers (those that belong to clubs) often get our birds from the same reputable breeders/flyers.
It does seem quite logical that after living 10 years or more the bird finally kicked the bucket. That in my opinion is a decent age for a pigeon to become deceased.
....however
Most American birdmen have never heard of the pigeon named the Kaiser.
Who was this bird, and why is he so important?
He was a captured German pigeon during World War 1. The Signal Corps adopted him, and he was used in their breeding program.
....but
What makes this pigeon special, he sired over 100 children, during his life. This in itself is not very special. The thing that makes the KAISER special is; he was hatched in the year 1917 (as shown on his band), and he died in October 1949.
This makes him the oldest pigeon on record!
====> 33 years old when the Kaiser died.
MEMO: The years of old age are indeed the formative years, rich in possibilities to unlearn the follies of a lifetime, to see through inbred self-deceptions, to deepen understanding and compassion, to widen the horizon of honesty, to refine the sense of fairness.
Marcus
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RodSD
281 posts
Jul 06, 2009
10:48 PM
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I am sorry for your loss. His children will carry the line for you.
If it makes you feel good, in the wild, pigeons only live around 5 years. So your birds lived twice as long as that and so the credit goes to you.
Oh yeah, we don't forget special birds. They will be in our hearts and minds forever.
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diamondrollers
322 posts
Jul 07, 2009
9:53 PM
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thats a bumer joe he was a hecka of a bird
sal
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STUDENT 2 THE GAME
102 posts
Jul 08, 2009
1:23 PM
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DAMN.... JOE ,Sorry to hear that , but you got an eye for great talent ..Good luck
Larry
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macsrollers
126 posts
Jul 08, 2009
8:58 PM
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A loss of a great bird like this one appears to be is a reminder to all of us that when you actually are lucky enough to have a champion producer you need to pump as many birds possible out of it on the best mates possible by using fosters. Unfortunately most of us take awhile to realize the potential of such a bird and by the time we do realize they are up in age and we haven't maximized it's potential. Sounds like Joe has attempted to maximize this birds potential and achieved it somewhat, so I don't think he should have too many regrets, except too bad the bird passed at 11 as though up in age we hope a champion type bird in our loft will live longer and produce longer. Sounds like you did what you could with the bird Joe, if that is any consolation. I wish you the best of success making another one as true diamonds in the rough are not easy to find!
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JMUrbon
725 posts
Jul 08, 2009
9:18 PM
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Thanks guys. Yes his seeds run deep through my loft. Those that seen him and his offspring know just how special he was. His offspring have also proved to pass on the type of spin he through and the type that I look for in a great bird. Joe
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