juanrollers
47 posts
Jun 12, 2008
9:27 PM
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Hey Gabe I heard of this before I think they say that from spinning so fast they pop a blood vessel near the eye. Put some visin lol..
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Scott
765 posts
Jun 12, 2008
9:55 PM
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Gabe, it wasn't tolorated in this family as it is a physical fault, so I never ever see it,stock such birds whether it clears up or not and you will see more.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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WaTtS UpP
952 posts
Jun 12, 2008
10:27 PM
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i had a bird that did that but it rolled down and when it hit it died then he had blood in his eye
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Watts uppp homeboy
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kopetsa
840 posts
Jun 12, 2008
10:30 PM
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poor bird............. yeah just give him some free time to rest for a few weeks! :)
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Jun 12, 2008 10:37 PM
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quickspin
700 posts
Jun 12, 2008
10:32 PM
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There is a certain number of vessels in the eye and if one of the eye has more than the require vessels the blood can't pass through quick so it will burst. That weak vessel that burst will be eliminated and it should not happend again. Rest the bird for 3 weeks and it should be fine to fly again.
Did you got this from a young bird that was just starting to come in to the roll?
I have got this before from a young bird that was just starting to come in to the roll. It has been over a couple of months and has not got it back again. None of her family has ever got this and been breeding them since 2000. Some say that you pass the trait and some that don't so is all up to you if you need that bird or not. The bird that burst the vessel is a really fast bird also. I wouldn't be scare to test her in the breeding loft. Now if one of the offspring has it I will eliminate both.
Last Edited by on Jun 12, 2008 11:25 PM
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elopez
1477 posts
Jun 12, 2008
11:07 PM
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This doesn't only happen to fast birds it happens to birds of all speeds. Like Scott stated it is a bad trait and you should do your best to breed this out of your family of birds. I've heard many times that this happens because the bird spun so fast that it rolled blood in his eyes. Don't be fooled by this and get tempted to stock the bird, this is not a desired trait to have in your family. Imagine having a few bird in your kit getting this? They would be in and out of your kit due to this. It would be hard for them to be in your A team with this condition.
It usually takes around 3-5 days to recover from this. Hope it doesn't get it again. If it doesn't you know what you can do with the bird...as I know you have some good stock so it shouldn't hurt your program. Best of luck buddy!
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Joe K
7 posts
Jun 13, 2008
12:07 AM
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Hey Gabe, mabey its somthing in our water! LOL seriously though, Ive had 2 of my hens roll blood into their eye in just one week! I find this very strange as acually Ive never witnessed this before in all my years with birds. I would add Im with Efren, and agree that " a bird that rolls blood into the eye isnt the ultimate roller, as the one that I have that did it today was rolling fast, but she wasnt what I would consider a " bird rolling with inconcevable rapidity" also she dropped out early, and I find this bird lacking in any stock purposes.
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BRIDGETOWN ROLLER
12 posts
Jun 13, 2008
12:53 AM
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Gabe ,blood in the eye or a hemorrhage under the clear part of the eye is not something that is caused by a genetic or inherit fault, it is just a blood vessel bursting under the clear part of the eye(Conjunctiva),This is not something that can be bred in or out of a family of birds its mere luck or bad luck, give the bird a chance to heal and it should be fine.
Oscar
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1722 posts
Jun 13, 2008
4:44 AM
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Is a blood vessel in eye due to spinning ....
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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J_Star
1623 posts
Jun 13, 2008
4:59 AM
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It is hereditary. Why myself among others don’t have them in our families!! I got some birds from a friend three years ago and one bird had it. It started with one eye and within couple of weeks both of the eyes had blood. That bird was culled immediately. After talking with my friend, I found out that her mother had that condition and he bred her anyway because she was good.
If you want a loft full of them, breed her but sure I won’t.
Jay
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gabe454
1022 posts
Jun 13, 2008
8:27 AM
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thanks for your input guys ill see what happens im going to keep flying her.im going to giver her some rest and and put her back into the kit if maybe down the line ill stock her.
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TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
Last Edited by on Jun 13, 2008 8:27 AM
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elopez
1482 posts
Jun 13, 2008
8:31 AM
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Gabe,
Jay is right this is hereditary. You will only get more like this. I know you have a lot of good birds over there so no need to stock her if you have others doing better or as good. Your decision, good luck with your club fly's.
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Efren Lopez
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http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
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gotspin7
1357 posts
Jun 13, 2008
7:10 PM
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Gabe, I would put the bird a side for a few weeks and then re-fly it and if does it again (roll blood to its eyes) I would cull it.
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Sal Ortiz
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BRIDGETOWN ROLLER
13 posts
Jun 14, 2008
2:22 AM
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I spoke to three different veterinarians regarding blood in the eye (Subconjunctival Hemorrhage) today , there is no evidence that this condition is hereditary,this condition can be caused by trauma,sneezing even diet ,out of the who knows how many thousands of rollers we breed each year does anybody know of a strain or family where this condition is prevelant?
Oscar
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Scott
769 posts
Jun 14, 2008
8:14 AM
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It most certainly is hereditary,it is a fault, nothing more,nothing less
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1733 posts
Jun 14, 2008
8:37 AM
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I think that bird been hanging around with
Cheech and Chong...........lol
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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George R.
775 posts
Jun 14, 2008
12:43 PM
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Oscar
I have a friend who had a line of Birds that always threw him Birds that would roll blood in the eye.
He tried to breed it out of them, but the fault would still show up even three generations away from the Originals .
He Finally found a Cure for his problem , he put all the Birds under a Pie crust.(pigeon pot pie)
Now he dont ever get no Blood in the eye in his Pigeons
Take care
the Novice George
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119
29 posts
Jun 14, 2008
1:41 PM
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George ,who is this guy ??and what line of birds did he have?????
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George R.
776 posts
Jun 14, 2008
2:06 PM
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i would have to ask him for permission to give his name out . but I can tell you the line of Birds came from .
they were a Jac based Family of Birds.
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PR_rollers
1209 posts
Jun 14, 2008
2:11 PM
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Gabe why take a chance there are so much more to breed from. side step it..
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Ralph
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pacos bill
43 posts
Jun 15, 2008
11:12 PM
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A guy I know had a bird that he said rolled so fast that its eyes would bleed, and we watched that hen and she did roll fast and tight, about 6 ft, and after she trapped, she had blood in her eyes. I told this story to Johnny Smith, and he said that the bird was hitting its eyes with its wing butts and that is what caused the damage, not the rate of spin, and this is not a good trait.
PACOS BILL
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BRIDGETOWN ROLLER
14 posts
Jun 17, 2008
11:55 PM
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George,
I posted some medical information that is not hearsay or a theory.I understand that much of our hobby is based on peoples opinions and on what they like and dont like and how they do things and nothing is uniform from breeding, feeding and training up to judging flys,and everyone is welcome to his or her own opinion.
Culling is a definite necesity in our hobby no doubt,there just seems to be a misconception that the more you cull the badder you are and the better your birds are,pretty soon someone will be posting that they culled a bird because it has a broken toenail(hereditary),or that they couldnt get the kind of roll that they expected from the line of birds they currently own, never finding the true cause of the broken toenail and never putting any blame on themselves for not being able to manage their birds adequately, they will simply make pigeon pot pies or have a fire sale and then talk bad about the line of birds that didnt work for them, move on and try to find a magic line of birds thats perfect and requires of no hard work. Good Luck.
Oscar
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J_Star
1631 posts
Jun 18, 2008
5:13 AM
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Can you describe the flight pattern when the blood vessel in the eye burst and the bird gets a bloody eye while flying in the kit? Can you describe the flight pattern when both eyes become bloody?
If that flight pattern is justified then keep as many of them as your heart desire.
Jay
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fhtfire
1411 posts
Jun 18, 2008
9:43 AM
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I too think that it is a wives tail. There are so many blood vessels in the body that are blowing up all the time. That is life. I have only had 3 or 4 birds in my loft ever do it.....and every one did it only one time and none of them were related.
One was a Ruby, one was a Scott Campbell, one was a Mort and one was a chuck Roe bird. The only bird that I have bred out of were the Roe Hen and a Mort Cock. The Mort Cock has never bred a bird that rolled blood...the Roe Hen had never except that I had sent some birds to Jay and he said that one had blood in the eye...and it happened to be from the Roe Hen..but I have bred about 80 or so birds from that hen and only having 1 bird roll blood....I think it was just hard luck not genetics.
I have yet to see it again in any of my birds.....Talking to a vet she said that there is no proof that it is genetics and that it has nothing to do with rolling to fast..it is just a blood vessel that pops...when it heals...it will most likely never happen again.....anyway...the animal medical community does not think that it is genetic and neither do I...
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Scott
797 posts
Jun 18, 2008
10:01 AM
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Paul, you never had one of my birds roll blood in the eye, out of the thousands that I have breed I have never seen it in this family.
Now on the other hand the Brower/Bircher birds that I gave you when you first started it is very likely as it was a gentic fault that ran through that family from time to time.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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fhtfire
1412 posts
Jun 18, 2008
11:50 AM
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Scott,
It could have been...but it was one that I got from you...it was a RR...anyway....I would not worry...it is not genetic anyway..LOL
rock and ROLL
Paul
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J_Star
1633 posts
Jun 18, 2008
11:58 AM
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Then how come we don't have this major fault in our family of birds. Maybe our birds are fast enough like the rest.
No one seams to want to diescribe their flight pattern once they get it. I bet you ain't pretty.
Jay
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diamondrollers
261 posts
Jun 18, 2008
2:46 PM
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i had a pure sammy williams hen back in 2001 that rolled blood in her eye a few times when she was coming into her roll she was 5 months old i put her up for a while and she never did it again. she happens to be the fastest bird i ever breed she went back to the 606 cock that i believe goes back to the old mottle cock stuff im currently breeding her brother and never had one of is young roll blood in there eyes
sal [black crow lofts]
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2502 posts
Feb 10, 2009
9:04 AM
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Hey Gabe I think tthose red eye birds...
Been hanging around cheech and chong.............lol
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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j .wanless
641 posts
Feb 10, 2009
11:36 AM
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hi all
blood in the eye is defnatly ereditory .in the early 80/s i had a family of reds that rolled so fast but the mother i called it buster cos it bust its blood vessel.produced 2 in 1 nest + a few in other nests.
all these birds were simmular in looks.since i stopped using any of those birds i have not had it happen for a number of years.though i do get lots of y/brds when coming on the roll .land on my loft + stand blinking for 5 or 10 min.wheather this is a simmular thing i doni know.
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topnotch uk
252 posts
Feb 10, 2009
11:46 AM
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i never seen it lads so can not comment the only red eyes i see is when they take a lick on the way in m8
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nicksiders
3254 posts
Feb 10, 2009
12:28 PM
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High velocity does not cause blood in the eye. It is a physical weakness. I have had lesser velocity type birds spin blood in the eye(s). It is a defect that should not be continued.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
281 posts
Feb 10, 2009
12:40 PM
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I'm with Scott and Nick on this one. Fly them but do not stock them. I rarely (maybe once every 5 yrs) see it in my family but I would never stock one that did it.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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pigeon pete
139 posts
Feb 10, 2009
6:19 PM
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over 25 years I've had 3 or 4 that did it.
I'm not saying that it proves the birds are fast, but it is to do with the centrigugal force increasing the blood presure in the head. I never saw one that got it from any other cause than rolling.If it was just a vessel that 'pops' or ordinary conjunctivitis, and is not related to rolling, has anyone seen it develop in birds that havn't been rolling?
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cv rollers
261 posts
Feb 10, 2009
7:09 PM
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hey gabe check out the post "eye question"i posted, i was reading an article in the NBRC magazine written by Hans Roettenbacher (1982,IRA bulletin) he had a list of obvious culls #3 said those that rolled blood in their eyes must go ,i had no idea what this meant so i asked this in my post,i thought it was bull eyes ??that is another thing he did not want in his gene pool!!
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