rollerman132
309 posts
Jun 15, 2008
12:41 AM
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Who’s changing their family of birds in the near future, and who’s staying with what they have for the long run? What made you come to this conclusion?
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Electric-man
1721 posts
Jun 15, 2008
8:14 AM
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Not me! I see improvement all the time in my birds! Gonna keep "circling the wagons" for a couple more years!
I bred around 75 birds this year, now its just a matter of time till the cream rises! I will compare notes to last year and narrow it down again!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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Windjammer Loft
338 posts
Jun 15, 2008
9:19 AM
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Rollerman.....Its funny that your bring this question up.....lol. For the past several weeks I have been contemplating making a change. I have Hardesty/Roe birds for the past 4yrs now. Not too deep,the velocity could stand to be a bit better and the COLOR factor may be setting in. Not many of the basic colors here. But, its still circling around in my mind......excuse the pun...lol
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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rollerman132
310 posts
Jun 15, 2008
9:52 AM
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Windjammer
If you don’t mind me asking, what made you chose that family? Was word of mouth or seeing them fly?
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spanky
500 posts
Jun 15, 2008
9:59 AM
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I'M NOT, I GOT THE JOHNNY SMITH,HIGGENS,REED BIRDS AND I LIKE WHAT I GOT.
SPANKY
SGVS
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Windjammer Loft
339 posts
Jun 15, 2008
4:13 PM
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Rollerman...Back in the spring of 2004,I went to my first ever fly here in Ohio. I saw them fly, but at the time I didn't really know how to pick birds. They looked really good compared to the families the other guys were flying. So,the guy that had the Hardesty/Roe birds offered to set me up with 12 birds.. And thats how it all came about.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jun 15, 2008 4:31 PM
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rtwilliams
86 posts
Jun 15, 2008
4:36 PM
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I am just starting, and feel that I have started with some good birds. (Thanks Bert, Brain Middaugh, etc) Will I change them latter? Who knows for sure. However I don't think that I could get stock that is to much better, and if they get screwed up it will be because of my management not because I got bad birds. I have been lucky to have two families, one with color for fun and one for performance. I have all that I could ask for. I may look for a bird close to my family to add something, more than look at getting rid of the lot and starting new.
JMO
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RT Williams
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pure roller
74 posts
Jun 15, 2008
5:21 PM
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rollerman 132 what family of birds do you have. What made you choose the family of birds you are using. Was it word of mouth are did you see them fly. Do you plan on switching are keeping your current family. Just wanted to know.
Last Edited by on Jun 15, 2008 5:23 PM
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fhtfire
1399 posts
Jun 15, 2008
5:30 PM
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Hey all,
Well...I am keeping what I have. I am very happy with my results and they are really starting to move in the direction that I want. I fly Ruby Rollers/Mort Emami birds. Morts birds are a mix of Higgins, Jay Starley, Scott Campbell(Utah)...and I think a little of Guil Rand. Mort started the mixing back in 1989 to develop his family of birds...Mort has been out of flying in comp or basically flying at all due to the Falcons that take 8 to 10 birds a fly.
I started out with A LOT of families and weeded them down to these two strains. I started crossing them a number of years ago with some test pairs and LOVED the results...this year everything is crossed except a pair or two and I have already moved 3 from my first round to the A-team.
I have some birds that were from my first crosses that were flown out and put in the stock loft and they have proved themselves too...I DO NOT BELIEVE in the myth that crosses can't reproduce..that is a crock....
I wrote and article called "Starting Out" and it is basically what I did when I started and how I did it...so check it out...I put a link below.
http://www.roller-pigeon.com/articles/article/862632/50164.htm
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by on Jun 15, 2008 5:32 PM
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mcroller
138 posts
Jun 15, 2008
6:02 PM
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I will be staying with my Nieble bird they work 4 me .....jimmi
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sippi
339 posts
Jun 15, 2008
7:20 PM
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I just switched in 06 so I dont plan on switching any time soon again. I went from Pensoms to Turners because I lost my stock birds. I like the Turners very much.
sippi
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rollerman132
314 posts
Jun 15, 2008
9:40 PM
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Pure roller
I have two families Plona/Smith and Herb Sparks. Even tough I have birds from to good sources, I still get the urge to buy birds from time to time, but tell my self I don’t need them. After all these years I’ve come to the conclusion that there is no gold to be found in chasing another person’s rainbow. As long as you know you have something good, you just need to keep breeding till you find those gold nuggets in the gene pool.
Last Edited by on Jun 15, 2008 9:42 PM
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Scott
788 posts
Jun 15, 2008
10:33 PM
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There have been plenty of times that I thought that these culls have to go, but then the little dummies up and surprise me once in a while
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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kopetsa
862 posts
Jun 15, 2008
11:06 PM
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I AM DEFINITELY 10000000000000% NOT READY FOR A CHANGE! :) AND NEVER WILL BE!
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Jun 15, 2008 11:06 PM
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pure roller
75 posts
Jun 15, 2008
11:57 PM
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I now see that your in it for the long road just like the rest of us guys no matter if its word of mouth are just seeing them fly. We our all trying to get the best. No matter what family you use if you like it I love it my brother its only a hobbie. And thats real
Last Edited by on Jun 16, 2008 12:14 AM
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smoke747
1214 posts
Jun 16, 2008
3:08 AM
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took me too long to build this family(18 yrs). I stickin with these for a good while. I would not get a new family anyway, I would just add what is needed and keep movin forward. They've been workin for me.
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
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DeepSpinLofts
875 posts
Jun 16, 2008
6:21 AM
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I like my birds. They show me nice deep rolls and a lot of HEAT in a few pairs.
...however
I wouldn't mind adding some of that SMOKE+STEAM to my family in order to simmer the HEAT.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Jun 16, 2008 7:29 AM
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J_Star
1625 posts
Jun 16, 2008
7:05 AM
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I am happy with mine. There is no magical recipe to succeed. You can change to a new family but it doesn’t mean you will succeed with them. They might get ruined the same. Sometimes we need to look at ourselves, the managers, and determine what needs to change to make a lousy family shine. You have to develop an eye, a feel and sound breeding methods, and sound flying habits to make it.
Sometimes, not having enough good performers in a kit would give you the elusion that the family you are working with sucks. However, if you can muster all 20 performing birds at in a kit would give you a solid ground to work with them. Even if the performers are 5 footers spin. Without going in details, having stiffs in the kit, or birds fly above the kit, or birds that keep trailing the kit will hurt your kit training and will create you problems. Eliminate the problem birds first then make a judgment.
Jay
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rollerman132
315 posts
Jun 16, 2008
9:14 AM
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Windjammer
Thanks for sharing, if you would have said they had the velocity but lacked depth, I would told you to stick it out and wait for the depth. Get a second opinion, before you start over, you expectations might be a little to high, some times we envision birds that roll beyond their natural capability. I hope you find what you’re looking for, and are able to build on what you find.
Last Edited by on Jun 16, 2008 9:15 AM
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gotspin7
1366 posts
Jun 16, 2008
10:51 AM
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Keeping what I have now this family of birds has a lot of roll and the best part about them is that they love to roll, I am going on 10 years with this family. And like Smoke said if I needed anything I would add to my current family of birds. I got rid of the whole last strain I had do to percentages they were just to low.
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Sal Ortiz
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PR_rollers
1222 posts
Jun 16, 2008
7:27 PM
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I"m flying my family of birds hard for 1 and half year to 2 yrs to see what i really have if they mentally stable and love to roll then i will get with the program in developing from what i have to work with..
RT William good thinking on your part and it show you on your way..
Sal what family do you have?
Scott i take those curs...
Ralph
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Scott
792 posts
Jun 16, 2008
9:06 PM
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It more comes out of the right particular birds than what family,but the goods have to be there.
You can't buy a family,you have to build it,and it takes time and is a long but rewarding process, some just can't do it and these are the guys that just keep jumping around.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Hector Coya
172 posts
Jun 16, 2008
9:26 PM
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The bottom line is,,most of the time ,it's not the birds that dont work right for the breeder,it's the breeder that dont work right for the bird's.
Hector Coya-SGVS
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George R.
778 posts
Jun 16, 2008
9:28 PM
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I am ready to start flying my new line of Birds . They are
short Face frill back crested six inch muff Toy Stencil x qualmond x milky line of pure Birmingham Rollers .
They will only be available for viewing by appiontment( 6 month waiting list ).
I had to hire a private Security company to stand guard at the loft, just to protect my life time work.
I have already Patented the DNA on these Jewels so please do not attempt to recreate these one of a kind short Face frill back crested six inch muff Toy Stencil x qualmond x milky line of pure Birmingham Rollers .
Or you will get a letter from my Bigshot attorney.
Last Edited by on Jun 16, 2008 9:29 PM
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WaTtS UpP
969 posts
Jun 16, 2008
9:36 PM
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as for me i plan to stick around my birds for a while people just dont give the birds time to study and fly the birds thats what im trying to do and i like what im seeing
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Watts uppp homeboy
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birdman
606 posts
Jun 16, 2008
9:38 PM
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George, when you started this creation did you use the frillbacks that were actually performance bred?
I hope so, cause you wouldn't want to pollute the gene pool with a non-performing frillback. LOL
Russ
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George R.
779 posts
Jun 16, 2008
9:49 PM
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Russ
As you know it is documented sevaral Dacades ago that the Birmingham Roller was created by mixing any and all Performing Breeds .
In order for my creation to be called Birmingham rollers I had to use the Performing Frill Back.
my referance book on this project was Timothy Leary,s " Turn on, Tune in ,drop out"
So this Project was conducted useing scientific methods.
Last Edited by on Jun 16, 2008 9:58 PM
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birdman
607 posts
Jun 16, 2008
10:03 PM
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George, as long as it was done in a scientific way then you have definitely done the breed a favor and moved it forward another notch...LOL Rich Hayes doesn't stand a chance now!!
PS: are they pedigreed?
Last Edited by on Jun 16, 2008 10:04 PM
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George R.
781 posts
Jun 17, 2008
4:54 PM
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yes Russ
they are pedigreed , you can trace them back to several Champions like 514, 272, 998,771, and 0016.
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