Square
381 posts
Jun 18, 2008
11:34 AM
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I was just wondering if any of you comp flyers or back yard flyers have used scratch for you kit's.. I have in the past and never really was around to see its effect's. I think I recal "Parker" flying his W.C kit on scratch... just wonder if any else herd the same thing, or has used this on ther kit's ,,,Thanx for your time..
Square..
"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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silver tail
485 posts
Jun 18, 2008
11:57 AM
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Square not sure about Parker but do know Joe Bower an old member of CPRC use to use scracth an his birds worked .
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sippi
343 posts
Jun 18, 2008
12:18 PM
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Booker we have a "Three Grain Scratch" down here in Florida that I have used before and would again but it is higher than wheat and milo. I feed it to my chickens. It is milo, wheat, and crack corn. I dont use it on my kits because of the corn. I dont know if they could take the heat of the corn in the summer very well here. I would use it again in the winter and cant tell any difference as far as the work rate of the birds. There are some brands that are made of cheaper mixes that I wouldnt use.
sippi
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Square
382 posts
Jun 18, 2008
12:58 PM
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yea sippi its the one you discribed with thw wheat, milo amd cracked corm. I used to give it to my birds when I lived in a remote location. However they wernt as tuned as they are now, they have been on it for acouple of days now and by the end of this week I hope to see its full effects,,, thanx agian...
Square
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joelbanc
40 posts
Jun 18, 2008
3:35 PM
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I've always considered chicken scratch pure junk.
My pigeons never touched the cracked corn. I heard that
once the corn is cracked it will lose it's protein value and also it scratches the bird's throat. Sometimes birds will have a second sence in what is benificial for them or their young.
The same goes for spoiled or contaminated grain. They will know before you do and you will soon figure out why they aren't eating some particular grain out of a mixed bag of feed.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1761 posts
Jun 18, 2008
3:39 PM
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I herd cracked corn will give the youngsters canker..???
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RUDY PAYEN
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Square
385 posts
Jun 18, 2008
4:55 PM
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Wow , yea I kinda had to get it based on avilibilty of feed up here.. The prices are rediculs and if I want otherwise I have to drive down the cayon.. I have read that alot of oltimer's used it... hopefully I dont have any adverse effects.. thanx for all the input and I will keeepp youfolks updated...
Square..
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
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diamondrollers
266 posts
Jun 18, 2008
5:14 PM
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there nothing wrong with giving them scratch i got a friend that only feeds scratch to his birds and they put up a show he doesnt feed it to his breeders when they are breeding
sal
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Square
387 posts
Jun 18, 2008
5:21 PM
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Right on dimond, yea I'm just givin it to my kit birds, a raising partner of mine said he gave it to his kit and it kinda made them too hot... well see...
Square.
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Spin City USA
36 posts
Jun 18, 2008
5:35 PM
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I have read that back in the day the old time flyers fed what ever they could get their hands on, we are really lucky to be able to buy different protein mixes. I have heard that the cracked corn will scratch their throat. I used to feed some scratch that was coated with a thin coating of veg oil, but I found out my birds work best on straight wheat.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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rollinfever
13 posts
Jun 18, 2008
5:49 PM
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yess the feed have wentup.. i was thinking of getting out of roller bcas of the feed prices but i sayd i love tehm too mcuh even though mines cant do nothing lol
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Santandercol
2672 posts
Jun 18, 2008
6:47 PM
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cracked corn the mildew can get in there much easier than whole corn with the skin.I'm not taking any chances with what I've got into these birds don't need ANY problems.Popcorn is like $45 a 50lb bag.Geezz oh well,no mortgage yet.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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belle
302 posts
Jun 18, 2008
7:13 PM
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Every here and there I might give a little scratch to my birds and fly them the next day and they will do good but, I would not feed them just scratch trash in trash out.
rollinfever feed prices for pigeons is nothing get a horse or two and then feeding pigeons is cheap LOL
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Justin
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Spin City USA
38 posts
Jun 18, 2008
9:06 PM
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You are right about the horses, I am a jackpot team roper, and the cost of hay and gas makes it hard to want to go play. Pigeons are cheap.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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rollinfever
17 posts
Jun 18, 2008
9:08 PM
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belle- haha i could see it from your point of view.. so how much do hirse feed cost??? lol
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Spin City USA
39 posts
Jun 18, 2008
9:34 PM
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I buy 196 bales of hay for $2181.00, last me 3months. We have a stud 8 mares 12 babies and 4 to ride. Keeps me busy.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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black_hawk_down
126 posts
Jun 19, 2008
3:17 AM
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OMG...haha i guess it really is cheaper keeping pigeons...-joe v.
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rollinfever
22 posts
Jun 19, 2008
5:48 AM
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wow.. thats alot of money there...hard worker for those horses
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JMUrbon
540 posts
Jun 19, 2008
10:11 AM
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The biggest problem that I have come accross with scratch is if you let any moisture get to it it will mildew and cause sour crop. I have had this happen to me personally and thus made the decission a long time ago to just stay away from it. JMHO. Joe
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gotspin7
1373 posts
Jun 19, 2008
10:25 AM
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I keep away from it, there are other mixes out there for your kit of birds.
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Sal Ortiz
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4KORNER
23 posts
Jun 20, 2008
12:23 AM
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the best thing to do is keep and breed your birds on the same diet changing caloric intake and protiens throws the birds off balance if you get birds from a good breeder and flyer use the same diet ive been watching these guys fly for the last year almost every weekend it is easy to get the wrong advice and mess up the birds diet consult with the guy you got um from and if you have 20 different bred birds in your kit from different breeders is hard to balance out what they function best on just my opinion
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Square
390 posts
Jun 20, 2008
10:56 AM
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WOW,, yesterday I flew my 2 team and they flew tighter than I have ever seen ,,,!!! they also flew to a dot.. however they were one big dot.. it was un real.... the birds were flying like they were all attached at the wing...at one point the flew a tight circle about fifty feet in diamiter... then the would break and switch directions and break agian.. they were flying way faster than regular... But they were working just as fast... it was like they were sometimes caught between two invisible wall's CRAZY.. They flew for about a hour... I know this much I have never seen anything like it...it was almost like sencronized swimming my neibhor was telling me.... Ill keep you folks up to date...and thanx for your time...
Square
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
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PR_rollers
1236 posts
Jun 20, 2008
4:31 PM
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Thats something Square my birds did the same thing three days ago flew for about an hour and 20 minutes about 60 breaks i lost count and tight all ten of them I was so excited and happy first time they did this ,quality rolls too i told my wife if a judge was under this kit today i would had won..that blew my head now if only they could do it again lol..
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Ralph
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silver tail
487 posts
Jun 20, 2008
5:32 PM
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Have you guys ever heard the saying the best fly you'll ever see is in your own back yard with no one there but you? I heard this a long time ago and it never fails they can do good and even great on fly day but for some reason when no ones watching they roll there little tails off good luck guy keep em rollin
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PR_rollers
1239 posts
Jun 20, 2008
7:17 PM
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lol you right about that Silver not even my wife was there.and when she is they the birds tend to go on a shopping spree..:)
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Ralph
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Square
393 posts
Jun 21, 2008
11:41 AM
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well put,, yea I am kinda way out,, however my neibhor is always in his back yard working on his hobbie cars, with adult beverage in hand he has his eyes skyward..LOL watches them all the time... he knows nothing really about pigeons and mostly has learned from me about my rollers... I flew them agian today along with my 1 team and they were awsom... and really thats what matters... the only bummer is my dog snached one of my birds as soon as i letum out of the box... I was PISSED>>> he didnt hurt it so we were pretti luckie... he is still young...
Square
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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black_hawk_down
174 posts
Dec 17, 2008
10:08 PM
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hey square how are the birds doing with scratch? a lot of guys say they'll get cranker. has any of your birds gotten cranker from scratch? let us know thanks. -joe v.
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brudahpete
341 posts
Dec 18, 2008
9:08 PM
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I have raised birds on scratch almost entirely. One thing for certain, Kel & JMUrbon are right about mildew. You have to keep cracked corn dry & out of any humidity, scratch will mildew quickly in humid areas. In our humid months I don't keep the feed out of doors. I live in arid Arizona so there's little problem with humidity.
A couple of drops of iodine in the water a couple of times a month help with any issue with canker.
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Square
624 posts
Dec 19, 2008
11:37 AM
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Yea the scrach thing worked for me for a while. Now Im not flying and every one is eating heavy, For me I know the reaction of scratch on my rollers, but im on to somthing more consistant, this up comming year.
Square.
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