John
178 posts
Jun 21, 2008
3:25 PM
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I went out this morning at 6:30 to find a bird sitting on the loft. I knew it was one of mine so I opened the trap and the bird went right in, I thought it was one that stayed out over night.When I returned later to feed I found that the bird that trapped was one that had been missing for a while,around 2 months.The bird still had all the bands I use(club, personal).It also had the plastic color band I use for kits. I'm glad to get this one back because it was a pretty nice kit pigoen.The bird came back in great shape but that only means that someone didn't make any effort to make a call.I flew a young kit and released this bird to fly with them and the bird flew the time which means someone has been flying the bird and it hasn't been sitting in the loft getting out of shape.
If a person was to find a wallet or purse in front of their home or even on their property with ID in it would they have the right to keep It? or would that be theft? If you found a car sitting front of your house with the keys in it, because you found it does it make it yours? or would it be theft? So what's the difference if a person keeps a pigeon that has someone's name and number on it? It's theft just as the other two would be.
If I get a stray I'll call the person ASAP and give some time to come get their bird.If they don't come and get the bird it's released or culled. I don't care how well the bird rolls or spins it's out of my yard.If you have to keep strays then you have to question your own program.
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millsy55
73 posts
Jun 21, 2008
4:17 PM
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well said i agree with u 100% it is theft if they want to keep strays they r the lowest of the low
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Scott
806 posts
Jun 21, 2008
4:38 PM
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if you find something that belongs to someone else and you know who it belongs to but don't return it you are just a common thief
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jun 21, 2008 8:13 PM
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nicksiders
2840 posts
Jun 21, 2008
7:32 PM
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Thief!
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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CVRC
35 posts
Jun 22, 2008
2:26 AM
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Who ever had it is now a theif without even knowing it.
Cristian Castro
CM Loft
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SiDLoVE
260 posts
Jun 22, 2008
8:59 AM
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I once took my dog running and here came along another dog chasing us. This dog was a nice looking dog and didnt wanna depart from us. I went down the nieborhood asking niebors if they knew whos dogs it was. After a couple hrs nobody knew whos dog it was so i came home with the dog. I kept the dog sat. sun.mon..and called SPCA tuesday to see if someone had reported the dog. They said Yes somebody is looking for the dog and gave me there number. It came out the dog belonged to a little girl who had been crying for her dog. The dog also had a 300 dollar reward...lol... It was the grestest feeling returning what was not mine and the pleasure to know i did the right thing. The girl got her dog... i got my 300 for feed money .....lmao .....end of story
siDLove
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kopetsa
918 posts
Jun 22, 2008
9:18 AM
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That is really neat that he actually came back!
THIEF......
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Andrew
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rollinfever
47 posts
Jun 22, 2008
9:19 AM
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JUST WANT TO SAY SOME THOUGHTS... OK IF A BIRD STRAY IN..AND IF ITS HEALTHY YOU SHOULD GIVE IT BACK OR TRY TO FIND THE OWNER.. FINDERS KEEPERS RIGHT??? BUT YEAH NOT TRYING TO GET ON ANYBODYS NERVES BUT IF I HAVE A OVERFLY AND I LOST MY BIRDS I WOULDDN'T WANT IT BACK.. TO ME THOSE BIRD ALREADY HAVE FLAWS!!!! YOUR JUST WASTING TIME IF YOU TAKE A BIRD BACK BCAS ITS GOING TO END UP DOING THE SAME THING;p
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smoke747
1218 posts
Jun 22, 2008
9:27 AM
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thats not true rollinfever. it depends on the circumstances in which the bird/s were lost and the length of time you've been flying them.
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
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rollinfever
48 posts
Jun 22, 2008
10:55 AM
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I THINK WE HAVE A SHOWDOWN HERE HAHAH LOL J/K J/K.. BUT YEAH THATS MY OPINION.. LIKE THEY SAY ONCE A CHEATER ALWAYS WILL BE ONE..ONE A OVERFLY IT MOST LIKELY TO BE ONE..
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JMUrbon
551 posts
Jun 22, 2008
6:20 PM
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You have got a lot to learn Rollinforever. That is the most untrue statement when it comes to rollers that I have ever heard. Joe
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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Ty Coleman
407 posts
Jun 22, 2008
6:39 PM
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John, ive read a few article about the flyers in England doing this to each other on purpose in the evolution of the breed, keeping a stray and not trying to return it to its owner is wrong no matter how you look at it. I have strayrd in racing homers over the years and no one wants them back but i do find the owners to let them no i have the birds most leave on their own but some have to be taken off.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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rollinfever
51 posts
Jun 22, 2008
6:45 PM
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thats myy personal experience..i had a roller that was homed for about 6 months and one day it decides to fly away off to nowhere..didn't comeback until almost 4 weeks later..when it came back i clearly saw that the flight feathers had been taken off my somebody who was experience with pigeons..and to this day it has done that so many times that i just (removed it from my stock)...i know that everyone wants the best roller in there family but why waste time with those overfly/strays when you could spend that time breeding and observing the best that you have??? you tell me...
Last Edited by on Jun 23, 2008 10:35 PM
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SiDLoVE
262 posts
Jun 22, 2008
7:49 PM
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Rollingfever, So lets say your main breeding pair have ur personal bands and they happen to get out and they got squeaks in the nest. Your saying its o.k whoever catches it not to call you and they keep ur birds??
siDLove
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1787 posts
Jun 22, 2008
8:04 PM
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Hey sid did they gave u the reward money for the dog ??...............lol
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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rollinfever
52 posts
Jun 22, 2008
8:37 PM
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SiDLoVE,
OK..FIRST OF ALL IF MY BREEDING PAIR HAD SQUEEKER THEY WOULDN'T BE OUT...=P..WELL YEAH IM NOT SAYING IT LIKE THAT.. I DIDNT SAY THAT IF I FOUND A STRAY THEN I WOULDN'T GIVE IT BACK BCAS I KNOW THAT I WOULD TRY TO FIND THE OWNER..WHEN I LOST A BIRD I SURE DID WANTED IT BACK THE "FIRST" TIME IT FLEW AWAY BUT THEN I LEARNED THAT IT HAS AMORE LIKELY CHANCE TO DO IT AGAIN....AGAIN WITH MYY [PERSONAL EXPEREINCE]... IT DID IT ONCE WHY NOT TWICE???.. IM TALKING ABOUT MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND HOW MY BIRDS DID IT TO ME..SORRY ON GETTING ON YOUR GUYS NERVES HAHA..I GUESS WERE NOT ALL THE SAME...
Last Edited by on Jun 22, 2008 8:41 PM
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JM420LOFT
57 posts
Jun 22, 2008
9:42 PM
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IN 10 YRS I HAD 8 STRAYED BIRD CALLED THE OWNERS NOBODY WANTED THE BIRDS BACK. TO THE FEED STORE.
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SiDLoVE
263 posts
Jun 22, 2008
10:48 PM
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Is it only me....But isnt it Common Sense to offer the owner the birds back?
,,O.k if the owner doesnt want it ..then keep it ...(remove it) ..do whatever...
siDLove
Last Edited by on Jun 23, 2008 10:36 PM
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CVRC
43 posts
Jun 23, 2008
12:03 AM
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I'm with u on that one Sid.
Cristian Castro
CM Loft
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rollinfever
54 posts
Jun 23, 2008
5:56 AM
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sidlove,
yesss i know that its common sense to give the bird back!! why do you have to come at me like that???you could clearly read that i posted that i would try to find the owner.. what else do you want more???do you want me to drive the bird up to thee owner????=P IS THAT NOT GOOD ENOUGH????!!!i thought that this was a good forum but i guess not "PEOPLE" dont even respect about what you THINK!!!
Last Edited by on Jun 23, 2008 6:02 AM
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bman
591 posts
Jun 23, 2008
6:35 AM
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On a happier note,last thursday I lost a Yb when a storm came up. On friday a lady called to say she had my bird.
When I asked to make arrangements to pick it up she asked where I lived (40 minute drive) and she said she would be here within the hour! When she delivered the bird she had her 5 year old son with her who only wanted to pet the pretty bird.So after he got to hold the bird I offered mom some gas money which she refused.I then asked her son if he had a piggy bank to which he replied yes,so I gave him $10. Every body left with a smile.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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PR_rollers
1252 posts
Jun 23, 2008
7:23 AM
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Rollinfever says ?!!!i thought that this was a good forum but i guess not "PEOPLE" dont even respect about what you THINK!!!
This is a good forum no doubt about that don't judge the whole forum just because one guy doesn't agree with you.
you made your point that you clearly said you would give the bird back thats why if you notice everybody in the forum didn't come at you.some people do respect what you think.
Bman that was kool not too many people out here like that lady
which would take you the bird back,and what you did was good too..peace..
Ralph
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rollinfever
55 posts
Jun 23, 2008
8:11 AM
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IDONT KNOW WHY THEY DONT EVEN AGREE WITH ME.. SO FREAKIN WEIRD BCAS I SAYD I WOULD GIVE IT BACK.. IS THAT NOT ENOUGH TELL ME..ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT I WOULD GIVE/TRY TO FIND THE OWNER IF I FOUND A STRAY!! BUT IF IT WAS MY BIRD THEN I WOULDN'T WANT IT BACK!!RESPECT?? I DONT THINK SOO THESE PPLE ARE WAY TO IN OVER THERE HEADS..I MADE MY POINT LOUD AND CLEAR THAT I WOULD GIVE IT BACK IF I FOUND ANY KIND OF PIGEON THAT BELONGS TO SOMEBODY!!! IDONTCARE. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF SOMEONE DONT AGREE WITH YOUR OPINION??? IM NOT THAT JUGDEMENTAL..I RESPECT WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY..WHEN I WAS NEW TO THE SITE EVERYBODY WAS GREETING ME WITH OPEN ARMS AND BUT SOMEOF THEM THINK THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS RIGHT...I KNOW IM NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.... BUT THATS MY OPINION SO RESPECT IT GOSHHH..I KNOW YOU GUYS DONT LIKE TO BE JUDGE ON WHAT YOU THINK(YOUR OPINION)
Last Edited by on Jun 23, 2008 8:20 AM
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Electric-man
1737 posts
Jun 23, 2008
8:20 AM
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Good story Bman! Thanks for sharing it!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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lionel
77 posts
Jun 23, 2008
9:01 AM
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Rollinfever relax this is a discussion not everyone will agree with you most of the time.
Understand if a bird is strayed in (especially with a personalized band) the most logical thing to do is to contact the owner. The bird may have been chased away by a bop, the weather, etc. who knows? The owner should be the one to decide whether they want the bird back or not.
If you contact the owner and he or she doesn’t want the bird back then you’ll know that bird is no good anyway.
lol I don’t know gentlemen it sounds more like someone has a guilty conscience. j/k
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Lionel
lionelsrollers@hotmail.com
Last Edited by on Jun 23, 2008 9:32 AM
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rollinfever
56 posts
Jun 23, 2008
9:14 AM
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THATS EXAXTLY HOW I THOUGHT ABOUT IT..lionel..I WAS LIKE IT JUST A DISCISSION NO NEED TO GET ALL FIRE UP FOR NOTHING...
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SiDLoVE
264 posts
Jun 23, 2008
11:57 AM
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Rollinfever i aint trippin , i Just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page trying to reach the owner of the bird cause were roller family so we simply gotta respect each other like family. If my brother accidently drops a 10 dollar bill and he doesnt realize it. For me to put it in my pocket is thief so i will do the right thing and return it to him.
siDLove
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quickspin
711 posts
Jun 23, 2008
4:25 PM
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I have lost many birds this year due for them been young birds as well as a over fly. I would like to get a phone call and see how they are doing some were birds that I was trying out from new pairs. There is just one that I would of want back as it was my breeder. All this birds have personal bands and I have not got a single call.
I don't know how any one would want to breed them if they don't know what is behind them. It takes time to breed and to match a pair and if they don't know what it has it might take them 1 year back or even more off there time by breeding this birds.
I have caught a couple of nice birds that roll good as soon as I stray them I call the owner to pick them up. When ever I would like to get a bird from them I'm sure that they will be happy to help me out even giving me a better bird or a pair.
When you have a complete kit and you remove one bird it makes a big impact on the whole team.
By just calling the owner and telling him that you stray one of there birds you gain a lot of respect by him. You never know if that particular bird is his foundation and means a lot having the bird back. He will give a couple of good birds out of him that will help you out more than just 1 bird. You also will know how to manage those birds more than by just breeding him with everything.
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CVRC
52 posts
Jun 23, 2008
4:32 PM
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Makes enough sense to me quickspin.
Another good post
Cristian Castro
CM Loft
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fhtfire
1416 posts
Jun 23, 2008
10:28 PM
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AN OVERFLY IS NOT A FLAW.....it is 100% pure bad luck plain and simple.....or it is a knuckle head manager...and I have been a knuckle head in my time once or twice...but you learn your lessons. It is not the birds fault..
If someone has a bird in there loft with my personalized band and I was missing it...they have some explaining to do!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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JMUrbon
554 posts
Jun 24, 2008
1:41 PM
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My opinions also Paul. Rarely does a bird get lost without having some sort of reason. These birds are naturally homing pigeons as all pigeons are. The weather, BOP and age are usually the only reasons a bird will get lost. That being said it is also rare that a bird will live very long in the wild due to lack of abilty to find food and water and also the diseases that wild pigeons carry that they are immune to that will kill our birds. Joe
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
Last Edited by on Jun 24, 2008 4:07 PM
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samB
1 post
Jun 24, 2008
2:40 PM
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Well this is my first time ever to leave a comment,I just want to Thankyou all for all the good info.
I've started with Ron Duncan's family of birds back in 2004
Thanks again SamB
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rollinfever
59 posts
Jun 24, 2008
3:56 PM
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OK
SIDLOVE,
I FIGURE THAT YOU ARE PROBALY MORE EXPEREINCE THAN ME AND PROBALY WAS IN ROLLER FOR SOMETIMES.. I KNOW THAT WE ARE ON TEH SAME BOOK BUT I KNOW WHERE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE.. I WANT YOU TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO IF I FIND A STRAY...???
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PR_rollers
1277 posts
Jun 24, 2008
5:51 PM
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Welcome SamB .
Rolling why you always yelling.capitals on all letters means yelling here. everything is kool..
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Ralph
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rollinfever
68 posts
Jun 24, 2008
6:16 PM
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HAHA LOL.. I DONT KNOW... I POST ALL OF MY POST IN ALL CAPITALS LMAO.YOU COULD CHECK.IT DOESN'T MEAN IM MAD OR ANYTHING..IM JUST DIFFERNT LOL
Last Edited by on Jun 24, 2008 6:17 PM
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wishiwon2
69 posts
Jun 25, 2008
8:32 PM
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Well would you please quit man ... the CAPS aint cool. Its not good etiquette, I find it rude and annoying. Please stop with the CAPS already.
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Electric-man
1749 posts
Jun 25, 2008
8:42 PM
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Rollingfever, you've been asked nicely, now its just being disrespectful! I will moderate any post that you use caps or if you show disrespect to another member from here on out!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2008 8:48 PM
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rollinfever
91 posts
Jun 25, 2008
8:53 PM
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I REALLY DONT KNOW WHY YOU GUYS ARE MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT..IM NOT TRYING TO GET ON ANY OF YOUR GUYS NERVES..OR TRY TO BE RUDE IN ANYWAY..
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rollinfever
92 posts
Jun 25, 2008
8:53 PM
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I REALLY DONT KNOW WHY YOU GUYS ARE MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT..IM NOT TRYING TO GET ON ANY OF YOUR GUYS NERVES..OR TRY TO BE RUDE IN ANYWAY..
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kopetsa
995 posts
Jun 26, 2008
1:43 AM
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bman, that was a good story.. Good on both parts, for her to drive the bird to you and you to give her son the ten dollars.. :) good job!
Welcome Sam B! This is one of the best sites on the web.. I tell that to almost everybody.. because it is! :)
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Andrew
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