kopetsa
924 posts
Jun 22, 2008
5:17 PM
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When you hold your bird, and the tail goes way up or way down, or just stays constant, what does this mean. The majority of mine lift their tail so high and ball up when I hold them, is this good? What about the ones that I have that put their tail down and practically form a 90 degree angle with the rest of their body? Except for my tame ones, they don't do anything at all.
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Jun 22, 2008 5:17 PM
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PR_rollers
1250 posts
Jun 22, 2008
8:28 PM
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Mines only lift there tail up when they wanna fart..
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Ralph
Last Edited by on Jun 22, 2008 8:57 PM
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city-side-lofts
197 posts
Jun 23, 2008
12:35 AM
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dude it does not matter it only matters in a show pen thats about it its nothiong to worrie about
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kopetsa
932 posts
Jun 23, 2008
12:48 AM
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lol PR
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Andrew
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PR_rollers
1253 posts
Jun 23, 2008
7:42 AM
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I have male and female that does that so I wouldn't use that as a indication for sex. now some says it determine a bird has a strong back if he bends all the way down and weak if it goes up but I also notice a good fast spinner and it tails goes up
and to spin like that it has to have a strong back . now i have try that tail thing on 2 rolldown and notice it just hangs down limb like no muscle no movement..
Ralph
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gotspin7
1397 posts
Jun 23, 2008
10:18 AM
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LOL..PR.. It does not mean anything to me fly them they will show you the goods if they have it in them...
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Sal Ortiz
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-mannyfresh- spins
17 posts
Jun 23, 2008
10:38 AM
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I say that doesn't matter....the lifting of the tail is jus ª reaction when tippin the bird...
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-mannyfresh- spins
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Electric-man
1740 posts
Jun 23, 2008
9:56 PM
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This is how I was taught to judge tail flex! Hold the bird in this manner and push forwards on the tail until you feel the slightest amount of resistance. I was told the farther the tail goes over the head with no resistance, reflects on how tight the bird should be able to ball up! This is pretty common for my birds, they can easily touch their heads with their tails with a touch more pressure!
I just started to experiment with this idea this year! Curious to see if this idea holds up with my best spinners that I produce this year!
Anyone else test their birds in this manner?
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Val
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kopetsa
942 posts
Jun 23, 2008
10:04 PM
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Sweet Val.. But does that hurt them?
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Andrew
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Electric-man
1741 posts
Jun 23, 2008
10:10 PM
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No, I push forwards until I feel the first hint of resistance and stop! That is the point of were you judge the flexibility!This bird can hold its tail at a 90 degree angle easily by itself by just tilting it forwards!
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Val
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fhtfire
1414 posts
Jun 23, 2008
10:20 PM
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Wives Tail...I have birds that ball up with tail flex and some that don't and were top notch fliers....I do find that some that do flex back are better...but I have had it go both ways.....I have some breeders that the tail will not flex back close to that far..and they produce some of my best birds and were rockets in the air....I mean...I used to run a 4.5 40 yard dash and could not touch my toes when I stretched....I think it is just something to talk about with a beer in the back yard...
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Electric-man
1742 posts
Jun 23, 2008
11:11 PM
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LOL My dad was not only a college football coach but he was the strength and endurance coach in the off-season and a track coach in the spring. Stretching was almost another religion in my house!
Thats why I posted the pics, to get some more opinions! I knew several didn't agree with this theory, but its holding somewhat true in my birds so far! Curious of how many "believers" were out there!
Just got threw running 2 miles, I'm having a beer right now! LOL
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Val
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Last Edited by on Jun 23, 2008 11:15 PM
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washington86
408 posts
Jun 24, 2008
12:49 AM
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Thanks for the great technique. First time realizing that.
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W.Cha
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PR_rollers
1266 posts
Jun 24, 2008
1:30 AM
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Val thats a good technique to use for stretching i will use that one on my birds not to determine if they roll well , they are times I take a bird in my hand that made me proud and i massage that bird believe it or not. They have muscles and that helps with the blood circulation of the cells of the muscles,and keep them loose.Thanks for showing that.
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Ralph
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Scott
812 posts
Jun 24, 2008
5:25 AM
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Val, there is somthing to it to a degree, but how far back does it really have to go ?
I wouldn't go through my youngster kit culling do to it, nor would I choose my breeders due to it , the birds itself in the air will tell you if it's right.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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sippi
348 posts
Jun 24, 2008
7:28 AM
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Val I find that a lot of the old "wives Tales" do have some credence. I wouldnt discard it until I tried it. I have tried many just to see for myself. I am a little hard headed and dont believe them until I see for myself. Some have been true and some not. At least in my experience.
Sippi
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rollingandtumbling
50 posts
Jun 24, 2008
9:13 AM
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i saw Eldon Cheney at a W/C fly last night checking a few rollers out useing that tecknique first time a few of us has seen it done.
john
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rollingandtumbling
51 posts
Jun 24, 2008
12:06 PM
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yes i agree hes a true gentleman and very knowledgeable on rollers.
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nicksiders
2842 posts
Jun 24, 2008
12:38 PM
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I think most everything that roller pigeon guys use to check thier birds out is correct "to a degree" to include Eldon's tail flex system.
I pay more attention to balance then I ever have and it seems that my more balance birds in the hand are also my more flexible birds.
We also dwell in the "seems to me" world as well and everyone them is correct "to a degree". I find it very tough to judge a bird's performance in my hand or on the perch and it "seems to me" it can't be done.
A little story; Aubrey Thibodeaux; myself; and Eldon were selecting birds for me to take home and try. All the birds except one met everyones criteria as a good prospect except one. It did not meet Eldon's flex test. Aubrey said "I don't care, it is a proven bird, it is a good bird". I took the bird.(LOL).
Aubrey runs two sets of records. One for all his flyers and one on his breeders and only the military could decode it and I think that is done on purpose it "seems to me".
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Just My Take On Things
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Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2008 3:38 PM
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tapp
598 posts
Jun 24, 2008
3:02 PM
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I seen Eldon do the Cheney flex test twice. Once at wendell Spisaks And at my loft after I flew the finials. I like Eldon alot, Hope to meet him again. Had a good time with him,Great guy, And learned a bunch! But! Eldon held and teseted almost every bird I have from A-B team kit birds, Squeaks to breedrs and If I did what he said I would have only a few Weins!!!! But that would be all right. I like all my roller familys. He told me to use the rest for pumpers!!! some of my best spinners Don't measure up to the Cheney flex test!!!! But when ever I have a choice between to like in the air rollers I will use the one that flexes the best in the breeders loft!
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Tapp
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Tony Chavarria
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2642 posts
Jun 24, 2008
7:12 PM
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I'm waiting for Glenn to check in on this...
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kopetsa
985 posts
Jun 25, 2008
3:21 PM
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I looked at my birds this morning and tried Val's method and it seemed pretty accurate.. But that probably doesn't work for everybody.. :)
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Andrew
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