rockx.559
61 posts
Jun 22, 2008
8:29 PM
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how often do you guys fly your rollers...once a day or twice a day inorder for your rollers to get enough practice in the air and get use to the surrounding...just wondering...i fly mines almost every day and seems like they get tired of it...so I keep them in for a while but when I let them out again..they tend to roll like they don't they dont have any exercise...
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Electric-man
1734 posts
Jun 22, 2008
8:39 PM
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I fly my trainees every day, the ones that are coming into the roll well, every other day, and my 1 - 2 yr olds about every 3rd day!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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Spin City USA
46 posts
Jun 22, 2008
9:35 PM
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I fly young birds every day,some times twice a day till the get patterned into the routine. I broke up a kit I have been flying for 2&1/2 years to breed some of them, I fly the ones I didnt breed almost every day. I dont know if I will mix the young ones with them or wait for the next round and put them all togher in the fall. I dont think you can fly them too much unless you are getting them ready for a fly and want them to peak on a certain day. When i used to fly comp I kept a book and wrote down the daily performance, how much was fed, when they went up, when they came down, wheather conditions,ect. all that info helped me point them to peak on time. Lots of time and work but it works.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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Ty Coleman
409 posts
Jun 22, 2008
9:35 PM
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I think Val is right on target although sometimes i do fly my older birds everyother day if its not to hot, and ive herd alot of vetran fliers say you can fly the roll out of the birds.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Spin City USA
47 posts
Jun 22, 2008
9:42 PM
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I have heard people say that you can fly the roll out of them, but I have never seen it happen in my birds. They may get less frequent but they will always go deep and fast. Some will have an off day on the quality of the spin but those are the ones I didnt breed from.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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rockx.559
62 posts
Jun 22, 2008
10:36 PM
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yeah you guys are all right...like for some reason mines they seem to be tired after a long flight and doesnt seem interested in another flight later. I was just thinking to myself that if I fly them too much they well not want to fly ...so if i keep them in ...they dont get their exercise and practice ..so lazy rolls out of them only...i mean they 20-25 footers but i notice..it's not correctly done...so how should I manage the fly times for my kit box correctly so they put a show in the sky?
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CVRC
40 posts
Jun 22, 2008
10:54 PM
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I fly my birds every day and if i get a chance, I fly them twice a day. Sometimes I overfly so I rest them for a day or two.
Cristian Castro
CM Loft
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Electric-man
1735 posts
Jun 22, 2008
11:02 PM
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Good subject! Hopefully we can get some more imput!
I have had several birds tighten up on me after sveral months of spinning well! But I used to fly most every day, so I am trying this every 3rd day thing. Right now its hard to say if I've progressed, because I did some serious culling and stepped some B team birds up to the A team!
Problem I have now is controlling the fly time! Thinking about going to the yo yo system!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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CVRC
42 posts
Jun 22, 2008
11:48 PM
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Whats the yo-yo system Val if i may know??
Cristian Castro
CM Loft
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Electric-man
1739 posts
Jun 23, 2008
8:44 AM
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I haven't used it yet, so I'm not 100% familiar with it! I think you base it on a 3 or 4 day feeding regiman! 1st day - feed them up,then you feed them less each day and fly on the 3 or 4 day and then start the process over! I believe it is primarily for mature birds.
Hope someone here will explain better than I have!
I don't know if its the answer to my problems, just a system that I haven't used yet! I think several do use it and have some success!
Hopefully, we'll get some more feedback here!
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Val
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Snake Doctor
289 posts
Jun 23, 2008
8:51 AM
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There are several posts about the Yo-Yo in the archives, use the search feature to find them.
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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558 posts
Jun 23, 2008
8:56 AM
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Thanks Stan, I always enjoy hearing how others handle their birds and it shows just how different these families’s are.
My young birds are fed a light mix from the time that they hit the kit box until they are 5-6 mos old. And they will get all they want once a day from weaning time until they hit like a pivot point in there young lives where they start trapping slow due to they just no longer need all that they can eat on a daily basis.
At this point feed is regulated so that there is no screwing around on the roof when they land. I fly these young birds daily also until they start coming well into the roll and which point they start being flown every other day. With these birds that progresses them.
Once they hit this stage they are starting to fly strong and a bit fast on the mix and that is when the wheat comes into play, I will give them a light mix on fly day and wheat on rest day. Once I get enough Young Birds that are well into the roll through out the kit boxes I will put them into the same kit box.
Out of these I'm looking for potential A team birds but not until they have matured and are solid as far as depth and quality of the roll. As for the A-team, these are the old birds and what works well for them on a general basis is the yo-yo system that Monty Neible came up with for managing his birds. Which is three day fly rotation, one day fly and two days rest. The base for the old birds is wheat. But will get periods of a light mix depending on where they are at in condition.
There are times that they will be flown daily such as when I am conditioning for a competition or when they have been locked up for a bit for whatever reason. As for releasing the A team, never do I just blow the entire team out of the kit box all at once, I let them out in 5-7 at a time as it cuts down on the initial excitement of release and helps keep the hotter birds off of the ground.
As for my light mix I use 2 parts wheat, one part Milo and one part that is 2/3rds Austrian peas and 1/3 Safflower lour. This is just a broad general guide and over all condition of the kit also dictates what and how much they get also.
In other words if I feel that I need to put some wt. on them they will get the mix for a period of time, If I feel that they need to peel a little wt off then to the straight Wheat we will go along with some hard fly time.
If they are heavy into the moult then it's a mix and heavy on Safflower and performance isn't even an issue, The only thing that matters is getting them quickly through the moult so that I can them back on track
i find this on here.........
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gotspin7
1395 posts
Jun 23, 2008
10:12 AM
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Every day and on Weekends sometimes twice a day!
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Sal Ortiz
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1789 posts
Jun 23, 2008
10:14 AM
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Everyday,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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gotspin7
1398 posts
Jun 23, 2008
10:19 AM
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Que onda Rodolfo?? Te estado hablando Cabron!!LOL... Call me when you get a minute
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Sal Ortiz
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Spin City USA
51 posts
Jun 23, 2008
10:51 AM
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One of the things I have seen in my kit is that I can fly them as much as I want to if I dont make them Fly too long. I only want them to fly 30 min. If they want to go longer I'll cut back on the feed. If they even think about comming down close to 20 min I have to push them back up. They know what a 30 min fly is. Straight wheat is my main ration, I use milo to slow them down and safflower to hop them up. The ration size stays the same but the percentages change according to what I think the need. It is a balanceing act. I have control how much water they drink which is kind of tricky in the heat spells. In normal wheather 70 to low 90's I take the water away after I feed them and they all get a good drink. When it's hot and I fly in the evenings I make sure they get a good drink during the day, but I dont give them free access all day. I only have to do this when they fly higher than I like which is at a scoreable height. if I cant tell who is doing what they are too high.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
Last Edited by on Jun 23, 2008 10:57 AM
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laj27
37 posts
Jun 23, 2008
11:36 AM
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HEY RUDY ZUPPPP!! WHAT FAMILY OF BIRDS DO U FLY?
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PR_rollers
1259 posts
Jun 23, 2008
1:12 PM
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I have the birds in two group’s one team kit well fly the time and roll a couple of flips that team fly’s everyday twice until I feel they need rest. The other team they kit well roll fast and tight 20, 25 footers they are all the same age 7 month. except 2 or 3 might be 3 month older they fly every other day I feed them mix 16 percent, I try the wheat and Milo but they started crashing on that so I went back to mix.
Some say give a cup to ten birds i don't give that much they would fly for 2 hours on that I feed a half of cup for ten birds ...and when i rest them i go for 5 days straight 2 cups day one, one and half cup day 2,then 1 cup day 3 ,then half cup on day 4 and then i grab some feed with my hand on day 5 and just toss it to them is probably enough to feed 5 birds but they all eat out of that and next day out they also get Provital powder vitamins is giving to them on rest days not on days they are flying because it gives them that extra edge and they fly longer and stronger, so it’s just plain water now on fly days. In between those days they get bathe too. now I like my birds flying 30 to 40 minutes and when falcons are around I cut it to 20 minutes that’s when I really mess with their feed .now at times I get to a point like now I give them there rations and I don't tell them went to come down this is the time the neighbors are happy no whistling .they fly under one hour come down whenever they want to as long as its 25 minutes fly time for me they will land go right in no whistle just voice command they all have a habit of trapping fast. I talk to them as they are landing and that helps with them with not bumping when they landing. If one bird bumps he get rested for a month to help the bird forget the accident and recover.
Its very important to keep your eyes on your birds when they rolling in knowing that your birds roll deep let say and you see one roll deep but not the others is a sure sign that the others birds are low in body weight now you know they all eating the same amount but that’s when i see if the others one are eating the bigger grains and the few that are low in body weights are just eating the small grain first like Milo in the mix. this is for folks who feed mix .the best thing to do is pick your birds up as they eating I quickly lift one up and get a feel and put back down fast and grab the next and so and so, then I know it’s time for more feed but if it’s going to affect me the next day like having them fly longer not performing . .then I will boost their feed a lot but in that 5 day rest I talk about earlier.
Remember your birds aren't machines and use common sense..They have muscles that need rest and building back up again. Protein builds muscle after being broken down.
For those that feed nothing but Wheat and Milo, on rest days give them Canadian field peas or Maple peas added to your wheat .The Canadian field peas average 25.2 percent proteins and maple peas is about 29.5 percent, this grains have a low fat content so they help put muscles on the birds but it won't turn them into racing homers not in the muscle department of the homers but in having a marathon pigeon flier.
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Ralph
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mcroller
145 posts
Jun 23, 2008
2:02 PM
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every 3 days for me,unless they are young birds,then every chance I get
jimmi
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CVRC
51 posts
Jun 23, 2008
3:11 PM
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Yeah i was told about this by a homer guy. He told me that on the 1st day feed them up the 2nd day feed a table spoon 3rd day half a table spoon an on the 4th day fly them. 1 tablespoon per bird.
Cristian Castro
CM Loft
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Spin City USA
52 posts
Jun 23, 2008
3:48 PM
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It seems like every body has found their own system that works on the birds we keep and breed from. Even the birds that dont do well on our program are not bad pigeons especially if we bred them out of good stock. They may need special attention, something I dont always have time to provide, I have given birds like that to friends and they have had success with them, I have also taken some to experiment with, some worked on my program some did'nt. I got in a lot of problems with the peas as the birds would sky so high I couldnt see them. I do use a 14% mix when I know I wont fly for a few days which is'nt often. It is really interesting to read all the different systems, I'm going to experiment with some of what I have read today and see what happens.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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PR_rollers
1265 posts
Jun 23, 2008
7:13 PM
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Jay everyone is unique in their own way different strokes for different folks what might work for him might not work for me or what works for me might not work for you.but its good knowing different things and try different things to see whats the most you can get out of your family that you working with like a little more performance or tighter roll etc..
This is something I read in one of my old bulletins how Monty Neible fed his birds using peas on his kit if understood right.how he use peas to increase the performance out of his birds. the recipe goes like this 1 cup of wheat after flying,1/2 of cup of wheat the next day.1/4 cup of wheat the third day and 1/4 cup of peas the day before competition.
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Ralph
Last Edited by on Jun 23, 2008 7:14 PM
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Spin City USA
55 posts
Jun 23, 2008
8:52 PM
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Ok Ralph, I'm going to try that and see what happens. I have some crosses that I made of off a pair of Monty birds. It will be interesting to see how my birds will react after being on my regular program for so long, it's all they know.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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fhtfire
1413 posts
Jun 23, 2008
10:14 PM
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Well...I fly the yo-yo system...basically it is Fly, rest, rest fly....with feed being full ration, 3/4 ration, 1/2 ration..then back to full rations.....and then it is usually Mix, W/milo, W/milo or Mix, Mix, W/milo.....
I only fly the yo-yo or modified yo-yo with my older birds or birds that are well into the roll and no longer need a full diet of mix...
As for flying...I fly my young birds 5 days straight..sometimes twice a day and one day rest....when they come into the roll I then fly every other day and then start throwing some wheat and milo to them on the rest days...When I say into the roll...I mean..at least 10' and are actually setting up and showing some good potential. I call this the teenage team...then as they become superstars or catch my eye..they get a shot in the A-team...if they can't hang...they get demoted back.....I give them at least 2 weeks of fitting in....if they disrupt the team...then I pull them back until they mature....I have had some birds skip the teenage team and go right to the A-team and they hang like they were meant to be there...I have found that those birds make the stock loft after 19 months or so of flying....they just have the goods.
As far as the teenage birds...the get fly rest fly schedule...with full mix after they fly and wheat milo 3/4 ration on the rest day.
Young birds get mix full ration every day.....until they come into the roll...no wheat or milo until they start showing the goods...and then i ease the wheat and milo to them.
As far as old birds (A-Team) they get mix the fly day...and the second day or first rest day...they either get mix or wheat/milo...third day wheat milo no matter what...reducing the rations by a quarter each day.....A full ration for 20 birds is 2 cups, 3/4 ration is 1 1/2 cups and then 1/cup the day before they fly.......I determine if I need mix by how the birds fly and feel in the hand...if they get light on me...I will give mix the second day for a couple weeks...if they start getting strong and heavy...I will keep the wheat and milo the second day...if it is real hot during the summer...they may get wheat and milo the whole time.....
You have to adapt fly time and rations and type of feed for the weather....during the winter all my birds get a mix to keep warm I could care less how they fly...but when I do fly during the winter...they always get wheat and milo the day before...but they get more during the winter. Once you get used to your birds you can just tell what they need...I can handle my birds and tell you when they need more grub...also during the Moult...I will throw the sauflower to the mix and make a rich mix. That is for my birds...
Just remember...if you fly the yo-yo type system...your birds stay in pretty good shape most of they time...so you need only like 10 days of flying for comp prep instead of 14-18 days....or you will peak to early...and this is for my birds...
Oh...and during the summer and comp time I mix my own mix for my fliers...just like Scott...except I use 28% pellet in place of peas......Breeders get Pellets, Wheat, Milo, Sauflower during the breeding season and all my birds get good old mix during the winter...Winners cup with popcorn..
rock and ROLL
Paul
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smoke747
1223 posts
Jun 24, 2008
12:08 AM
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I fly my young birds every day except sunday. no birds fly on sunday.
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Keith London
ICRC
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FRENCHROLL
172 posts
Jun 24, 2008
10:45 AM
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I was flying my youngsters early morning and late evening everyday for about a week, they were averaging about 30 minutes per fly. they were on a 50/50 milo & wheat mix then all of a sudden they started trying to come in after 10 to 15 minutes,the feed amount never changed. this was last week when the temps started to rise. so was it the weather, were they tired, did they need something else in their mix or was the problem all of the above ?
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"ROLLIN INTO 08"
Last Edited by on Jun 24, 2008 10:46 AM
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