sippi
349 posts
Jun 24, 2008
7:37 AM
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To all those who have said they have seen the doughnut hole I must apologize. I always believe it to be a figment of the imagination. I have seen it. I have a bird with perfect control that can spin at any depth. He rolled the other day at fifty feet from the hard deck and I saw a perfect hole. I thought it was an illusion and he did it again for good measure. He rolls for thirty feet or so and gets faster as he goes until he blurs out towards the end.
It was an humbling moment.
Sippi
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Oldfart
717 posts
Jun 24, 2008
9:08 AM
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Stock Him.
Thom
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ezeedad
643 posts
Jun 24, 2008
10:50 AM
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Sippi,
Thanks for telling us about that. Is there any other style of roll more beautiful than that..?? I don't think so. It is the best. Combined with high velocity... you got it going on..
Gomez
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-mannyfresh- spins
18 posts
Jun 24, 2008
11:00 AM
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great story man...can't wait till the day that one of my birds does ª doughnut...
-mannyfresh- spins
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COYOTE33
133 posts
Jun 24, 2008
11:13 AM
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Welcome to club hole, we've been waiting for you. you have just experience roller heaven, dont go back to hell :)
coyote
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smoke747
1224 posts
Jun 24, 2008
11:13 AM
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congrats sippi, you just graduated. some never see it.
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
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ANEWKITT
15 posts
Jun 24, 2008
11:28 AM
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it is a wonderfull thing to see... If you want to see more give Smoke747 a holler
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kopetsa
945 posts
Jun 24, 2008
12:20 PM
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Stock him for sure.. lmao PR..
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Andrew
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kopetsa
946 posts
Jun 24, 2008
12:20 PM
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Stock him for sure.. lmao PR..
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Andrew
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CVRC
64 posts
Jun 24, 2008
2:06 PM
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If hes that good then you should definately stock that bird. You never know it might give good offspring.
Cristian Castro
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nicksiders
2850 posts
Jun 24, 2008
9:19 PM
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Paul,
I have been humbled a few times in my life as well. I will probably be humbled a few more times
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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sippi
351 posts
Jun 25, 2008
1:08 PM
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Me too! Not my first time and I am sure not my last.
To early to stock the bird. He is an early 08 and has to prove himself yet.
sippi
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rollinfever
82 posts
Jun 25, 2008
1:17 PM
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so is the donut hole a good thing to have in the roller?? a good gene???
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Scott
816 posts
Jun 25, 2008
2:09 PM
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Sippi, when you see it you know it thats for sure,I have never seen it in my birds.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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PR_rollers
1305 posts
Jun 25, 2008
2:22 PM
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To the new guys follow the advise to those words Paul just wrote
"To early to stock the bird. He is an early 08 and has to prove himself yet.
sippi
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I have 4 of them doing the donut but they won't be bred till one season and a half or 2..there is a whole lot of things they yet have to prove before being stock.---------
Now Scott you are humble..
Ralph
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2008 2:22 PM
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DeepSpinLofts
902 posts
Jun 25, 2008
3:47 PM
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Ahh yes.... that doughnut hole is sweet!
Sippi... if you ever observe a true champion you will notice that the bird is spinning so fast that it will appear as though it's spinning in motion (spinning in place) like a spinning top. Often there will not be very much descension from the spot it starts rolling to the point it breaks out of the roll. The speed is so freakin fast that it often becomes a blur to the stunned onlooker.
===> This aerial phenomenom known only to rolling pigeons is very, very, very rare to find!
A very good bird can turn over as many high velocity revolutions in 20ft as can a sound bird that rolls 40ft-60ft smoothly.
Remember.... we are seeking birds with tremendous rolling speed and can spin over the most amount of times (revolutions) in the shortest amount of time.
NOTE: It's sort of like ramping up the RPM's on a CHEVY CORVETTE.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2008 3:49 PM
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Scott
817 posts
Jun 25, 2008
6:34 PM
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Ralph, not being humble at all, I have never seen a "true" hole from my birds.
Now I have had more than a few say they have seen it here, but the fact is what they saw wasn't it, the bottom line is they had never seen it so didn't know what it was.
I might add that out of all the lofts that I have been to across the country and all of the kits that I have judged or just watched only a single bird showed a "true" hole .
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2643 posts
Jun 25, 2008
6:39 PM
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...the hole...it's not an optical illusion...it just looks like one...
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Scott
818 posts
Jun 25, 2008
7:29 PM
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Tony,you don't see clear blue sky through a perfect hole with optical illusions, it is very real, but also very rare,and I would say always been very rare.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Flying W
16 posts
Jun 25, 2008
7:32 PM
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How deep would a bird have to roll to achieve "the hole" ?
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gotspin7
1408 posts
Jun 26, 2008
5:14 PM
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Sippi, good work! I had only one bird so far that did it consistanly. Take care of it they do not come often
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Sal Ortiz
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sippi
353 posts
Jun 26, 2008
5:28 PM
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As I said in the beginning I always thought it to be an optical illusion or imagination. I have seen hundreds and hundreds of birds roll and that was my first, one, and only.
Sippi
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PR_rollers
1317 posts
Jun 26, 2008
8:37 PM
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Flying W the bird don't have to roll deep to show it .I have one that shows it when he is low coming to land he just spins so fast like he is in the same spot and snaps right out before he hits anything .I just happen to be in the right place to see it when the bird is sideway you see this not when he is rolling straight in front of you..it actually is a donut dropping from the sky.I love it when i see this .. I'm always with a pair if binoculars in my hands.no matter if they flying low I am right on them scoping every inch of the way.. ---------
Ralph
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rtwilliams
111 posts
Jun 26, 2008
8:57 PM
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that is cool to see that. To bring your birds to that level is an accomplishment. I hope to achieve it someday. Good job and good luck with that bird I hope it makes your stock loft.
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RT Williams
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