quickspin
714 posts
Jun 25, 2008
12:11 AM
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How long has it take you to learn your family of birds to the point were you almost know what you will produce.
Has inbreeding or Linebreeding help you in any way to maintain that gene pool closer?
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kopetsa
970 posts
Jun 25, 2008
12:27 AM
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I usually know what exactly will come out of my eggs.. It doesn't take too long! A few years.. :)
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2008 12:28 AM
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J_Star
1639 posts
Jun 25, 2008
7:31 AM
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If people seriously know what their family of birds produce, then they should have abundance of excellent kits around and that is the furthest from the truth.
That is why they say breed allot, fly hard and cull hard and nothing in between. Otherwise, people will breed a few, fly less and cull less because they know what they produce.
Jay
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CVRC
81 posts
Jun 25, 2008
11:54 AM
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You have to get to know ur birds real good in order to tell that. It could take a few yrs.
Just My Opinion
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Cristian Castro
CM Loft
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BA Rollers
22 posts
Jun 25, 2008
12:20 PM
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Never.
The day you think you know your birds well enough to know exactly what they will produce, is the day a person will realize they simply went off their meds and life really isn't that simple...lol
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Hector Coya
181 posts
Jun 25, 2008
12:37 PM
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Ive got sertian pairs that ive been working with since 1982 If i didnt know what % of good once i was getting out of those i whouldnt have kept them that long,just becouse you havent found a couple of hit pairs dosnt mean no one els hasnt,we have to breed alot to have some left after the hawks take there share.
Hector Coya-SGVS
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2008 12:38 PM
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PR_rollers
1306 posts
Jun 25, 2008
2:38 PM
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Thats a tricky question as you can see he said almost know what they would produce didn't say you know for sure what they produce all the time. and the answer to that question is you can have a click pair and that can throw out the goods mostly all the time. as of Hector clearly states.
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Ralph
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2008 2:39 PM
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Hector Coya
182 posts
Jun 25, 2008
3:59 PM
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Thats true Ralph
Almost is the key word,there are some pairs that produce real good rollers Almost every time. Hector Coya -SGVS
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JMUrbon
561 posts
Jun 25, 2008
4:28 PM
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Everybody as breeders should be trying to produce top quality birds at a high percentage. The truth of the matter is that even the best pairs arent 100 % good birds. To say we as breeders know comming out of the egg what they will do is absurd. Like Hector said in his earlier post, In time we learn what pairs have the goods MOST of the time. Nothing is 100% for sure though. I wish it were that simple. I have Quite a few generations of birds that have died in my loft and I still need to fly each and every young bird out to be sure what they will do and believe me I still get dissapointed at times. Joe
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2008 4:30 PM
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wishiwon2
70 posts
Jun 28, 2008
1:21 PM
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Yes Joe,
I understand what you're saying about not knowing 100% what you're going to get. But I suspect you have a good idea which pairs will likely produce the best for you. I also suspect you have an idea that this particular pair will likely throw you more depth or that pair's young will come into rolling at 6 months, etc ... these are the kind of things I think the post is asking about. We all have matings that produce better percentages of good birds than others. What I think the question asks is how long of working with our birds does it take until we can predict stuff like, 'this cock or that hen should add frequency' or 'this mating will likely produce earlier developers than usual'.
My answer to that question is, You first have to learn to fly the birds you have well. Know what makes them tick. Feed and fly schedules, strengths and weaknesses. You have to be honest with yourself about your birds, have a standard and stick firmly to it. If you pay good attention to your choices for stock (such as how they developed and traits they exhibit) and are honest with yourself about your kits, you should know your family pretty well in say 5 yrs. During the this time you'll also be selceting from and breeding more kits, learning them as well and identifying what particular traits each bird or pair throws. In 5-7 yrs you should be able to put together pairs for specific purposes (to add depth, to add frequency, to add or subtract whatever).
If you are already at a point where all your kits are great then congrats, youve made it to roller nirvana. I continually have something I want to improve or change in my kits, I am just now being able to predict somewhat what I'll get. Or I should say i put together pairs with a specific purpose or plan, I have an expectation of producing good rollers with specific traits. It doesnt always turn out how I plan and i certainly have to fly all them out to prove it to myself what I did worked or not.
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Spin City USA
58 posts
Jun 28, 2008
3:19 PM
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I think everyone is looking fo the click pairs, the ones that throw the higher percentages of the birds in the A team, and out of 10 squeakers you get a lot of nice kit birds and two that are outstanding. These birds make up the foundation of you family. Then you may break them up to find out who is really packing the roll and hope to make another click pair. You are still keeping the gene pool tight. If you keep good records you can always go back and put the click pair back to work if you can see the new pairs are producing what you expect. Pedegrees dont roll but they can help you to see what worked and what did not. It takes time and effort, keeping good records and being honest, there are no short cuts.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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smoke747
1248 posts
Jun 29, 2008
12:49 PM
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I cant tell you that I know what eactly will come from each pair but I can spot the good ones when they come out and are in the kit boxes. We at least should know our families up to this point.
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
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JMUrbon
566 posts
Jun 29, 2008
12:54 PM
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Keith I couldn't agree with you more. I feel that in order to be a successful breeder you need to at least be able to get to that point. Joe
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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Scott
843 posts
Jun 29, 2008
1:04 PM
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Keith , know a good one or know which ones have the "Potential" and are most likely to be good ones ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jun 29, 2008 1:04 PM
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