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Breeding The Better Roller
Breeding The Better Roller
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pacos bill
50 posts
Jun 27, 2008
10:56 PM
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Gentlemen it is a true fact we have better rollers now days as far as kit birds, but I have yet to see the flying acrobatics of the new rollers match or even come close to the overall performance of a true Pensom or Birmingham Roller that we had 50 years ago, we all talk speed but look at most (most not all) of the videos of our kits the roll is not ball nor an H or donut hole but some form of tumbling in shape of a W for three turns, now I know that we have real fast birds and very frequent up to 3 time or more per minute.
I have some old school 514 stuff, but so far they lack depth and frequency, they are only rolling 5 to 20 feet and 20 feet was considered minimal 50 years ago, however to roll 1 to 2 times a minute was above average for the early birds and hardly kit worthy today.
As I see it we have the Show Rollers 3 parts Modena 2 parts old Dutch tumbler and a little roller, and I bet they are hard pushed to fly much less perform.
We have the world class spinner or kit birds and they or great.
we don’t have the good old Pensom or Birmingham Roller which would just amaze us with its acrobatic tricks and breath taking depth and speed, we need to bring back just for our enjoyment the old deep fast roller of yester year and try to breed in more frequency that is my goal twizzle and all .
(Cull out the tumblers)
Pacos Bill Just my Old School Opinion
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Scott
827 posts
Jun 27, 2008
11:15 PM
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Bill, it sounds like you have a bunch of birds that you arent happy with (by your own discription) cull them and move on and find some decent birds , forget the videos, I see the same as you do on them.
Personly if I get a solid 20 breaks (once a min.) in a major fly I'm happy, most the time this will give you a decent fly unless the quality and depth is poor in which case the multipliers will slam you.
As for the depth, I know in my A team there isn't a bird in there that isn't capable of 25 ft, short birds don't make the grade, few birds stretch much past much past 30 ft with quality and can hold it together anyway, and Pensom himself stated the same, so what are we talking about any way ? .
As for old 514 there are a zillion families with that old dead bird behind them, some are exceptional and some are pure garbage, they are not one in the same family.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jun 27, 2008 11:42 PM
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