Thanks for posting that video. I have mixed feelings about the bop's, I respect them, I am in awe of what they are capable of doing, on the other hand I hate to hear when they have taken somebody best performers. I hate to see them get after my birds. I try to learn something in every situation,the video is a good example of form following function. I had read about this guy and his bird in some magazine. Objects fall at 32ft per sec. and in a free fall these birds are so well designed they can generate more speed than that. Areodynamics and the shape of their wing makes this possible. People have been discussing the same thing in roller wings for a long time. Many people have different ideas on the how and why to justify their position. I have seen in my birds the narrower and more slender the wing and flights the faster the birds are able to spin. what do you think? ---------- They gotta Spin to win.....Jay