Electric-man
1791 posts
Jul 04, 2008
8:09 AM
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Any predictions on what the affects fires are gonna have on the BOP situation? From watching the news, it looks like a lot of habitat has been destroyed! Are they gonna move more south, stay north, move east? Is it gonna hurt the population of BOPs? Will they have to move more into the cities now, maybe fight for territory?
Just curious on what some thoughts are!
Val
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Ty Coleman
430 posts
Jul 04, 2008
8:14 AM
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Val, it would have to be population decline for sure.
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Ty
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Sourland
113 posts
Jul 04, 2008
9:21 AM
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Ty, in the long term, you may be correct. Initially however I think it will cause a concentration in areas where there is food present; i.e. where people are flying pigeons.
JMO-Geo.
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Tony Chavarria
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2650 posts
Jul 04, 2008
10:11 AM
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The So Cal guys need to not fly their birds for about three months and let the bop sort themselves out. I would think that the overcrowding and limited prey would cause a natural culling to take effect...
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Spin City USA
65 posts
Jul 04, 2008
10:25 AM
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I wouldnt think the bops'in your area would be affected by the fires unless the fires are in your area. I think its a wait and see situation. Be observant and good luck.
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Tony Chavarria
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2651 posts
Jul 04, 2008
10:32 AM
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Hey Jay, I think there will be a ripple effect rolling down from Northern to Central down to So Cal. Everything will get pushed on like dominoes. JMO
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Spin City USA
67 posts
Jul 04, 2008
11:26 AM
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It must be like what is happening along the mississippi, you try to save your town and it affects other towns on the river. I am going to have to be more cautious as I am just south of some of the fires, I can see the smoke from my house.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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Tony Chavarria
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2652 posts
Jul 04, 2008
11:37 AM
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Hey Jay, lock down for several weeks and watch the skys. Spread the word! Passive Resistance!!! Watch nature do what it does, can't regulate that unless its global warming! LOL
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Spin City USA
68 posts
Jul 04, 2008
11:46 AM
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Tony, how are you comming with the newsletter? When do you think you will have it sent out?
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Square
396 posts
Jul 06, 2008
11:16 AM
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Well I really dont know the awnser to that,, But I will tell you this Ive been "up to my ass in aligators" for thirteen days now...as some of you know I am a captain with the U.S.F.S, and I have been a wildland fire fighter for about 18years now.. and this has been one the worst fire seasons Ive ever been involved in. I have been on the Sierra national forest helping with the situation here.. just east of fresno,, been on three fires so far, the one I was incharge of was in the wilderness the fuller fire.. they flew me and my 20 person crew in last week .. a little place called Hell's Half ''acre.. rightfully named...LOL It was unreal!!! the fire was burning in steep rugged terrain a place where there was no room for error.. we managed to contain the fire with alot of help from aircraft... the other good thing is I was able to catch some of the best fish of my life...LOL .. I carry a telocpic ultra light fishing rod&reel.. and my first cast was a 13inch rainbow trout.. and one about every other cast.. it's basically a servival tool.. so dont think I was just sport fishing...LOL it was a 1300ft decent to the river bottom.. chaseing fire only to return to the top a few hours later never relize how far that is when you are going down hill, it was a nice hike outta the hole with enough fish to feed my crew... it was a well needed break in our diet... I mean you can only eat so many sack lunches..as far as the B.O.P deal I will be a great canidate to see the effects as there is a 1400 acre fire in my backyard where there is alot of timber and rockey outcroppings... also prime B.O.P habbitat.. miss you folks and I will be headding home to my family and rollers tommrow...its gonna be nice sleeping in a bed..for two days then back in the sattle.... have a good one!!!!
Square
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Electric-man
1799 posts
Jul 06, 2008
11:32 AM
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Good story! Good luck to you and your men and thanks for putting yourselves in harm's way so others can be safe!
Let us know if you see a change in the BOP situation! I got a feeling that its gonna be bad in the rural areas of California, when they start migrating back!
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Val
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Square
397 posts
Jul 06, 2008
11:39 AM
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yea you bet Electric-Man. I will keep u posted... and its my pleasure and my job,, so im always ready to to move some dirt!!LOL
Square
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PR_rollers
1355 posts
Jul 06, 2008
1:13 PM
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Hey Booker was wondering where you been hiding at now I see playing with fire and fishing ...Camping huh:) get back safe bro. Peace out..
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Scott
884 posts
Jul 06, 2008
5:18 PM
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I have as much respect for the CDF as I do our troops, these guys are awsome and some of this countries finest.
It wasn't an hr ago that I was watching from my front yard two tankers and a chopper working a fire a little to the north.
When you have a fire out of control blowing through brush,trees and houses and heading your way , it is pretty awsome to see CDF ground crews marching down your road like a platoon of Marines.
Be safe and thanks!
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Square
399 posts
Jul 06, 2008
5:26 PM
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Thanx for all your support...Truly
Square..
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Scott
885 posts
Jul 06, 2008
6:03 PM
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And that is even after me and my new Ford (at the time) were painted red my a tanker , just wish that it wasn't hit broadside with the windows down LOL LOL
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Square
400 posts
Jul 06, 2008
9:27 PM
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LOL...crazy! yea they are already trying to give me another assignment... and im not even home yet.. I relize this is gonna be a intence season, I have made the desion to break my kit's up this week, jut kinda unfair toum keeping them penned up in those kit boxes, one of my raising partners is comming up this week to pick up 30young birds...and that leaves me with 44 holdovers for next year,, W.C I see a light at the end of the tunnle just hope it's not a train this time...LOL
Square
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J_Star
1647 posts
Jul 07, 2008
5:39 AM
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I don't think the fires are going to effect the BOP habitat simply because they live in the urban areas and the hoods.
Jay
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2653 posts
Jul 07, 2008
9:03 AM
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Hey Jay, how's it going?
I believe the bop will be impacted by the current fires, its logical that bop will flee the burning areas to safer hunting grounds, (the hood and urban areas) and compete with resident bop for food and territory, the sum effect will be fewer bop overall for awhile, this will positively impact the hood and urban areas when the burned areas recover and are able to sustain the surviving bop who go back to unpopulated areas again.
As for the how much and if any impact will alleviate the concerns of the So Cal flyers remains to be seen.
BTW, the reason your other post was moderated is that we are no longer referring to roll-downs and culling on the site.
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DeepSpinLofts
956 posts
Jul 07, 2008
4:36 PM
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The raging California fires may have had some affect on birds that experienced an erosion of their habitat due to these infernos. I have noticed some rather unusual migrations in the sky of birds composing many different species. Keep in mind that several species of BOP will often follow migrating flocks.
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Most of the BOP migration south has already occurred. Each fall, hundreds of thousands of Hawks, Eagles, Ospreys and Falcons withdraw from their breeding grounds across North America and move to their wintering grounds, some as far away as South America.
A few species of BOP, like the Cooper’s Hawk for example; will remain in North America and stake out backyard bird feeders in hopes of making a meal out of an unwary bird. Saw a Cooper last week snatch a Mourning Dove over in my neighbors yard. The way I see it..., it's much better to be the predator than to be the unfortunate prey.
Marcus
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Werstler
78 posts
Jul 07, 2008
4:40 PM
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Hey Square; thanks for you and all the other guys fighting fire, I have one in my back yard it is only 95 % contained after all this time,about 4 miles away and you know how fast a fire can do 4 miles with the wind behind it, I was so lucky the wind was blowing away from me. Feather River Canyon HWY 70 has been closed for about 2 weeks, HWY 32 closed also.
About the BOP, I don't know how the smoke here wouldn't have affected them, I know I couldn't fly or wouldn't fly my pigeons for 2 weeks so the BOP would have had to go quite aways to find a place to eat, a place they could see the prey, and be able to breath the air.
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PR_rollers
1363 posts
Jul 07, 2008
8:41 PM
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Hey Werstler I'm glad everything is ok with you and the fire is blowing elsewhere .good choice on locking up the birds for 2 weeks..
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Werstler
79 posts
Jul 07, 2008
10:19 PM
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Well Ralph the smoke is killing my lungs I'm not sending my birds up in that smoke. I like my rollers. I notice the wild birds around here are acting strange.
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J_Star
1648 posts
Jul 08, 2008
6:23 AM
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Tony,
Understood. But those two issues with rollers like American pie and Baseball. We cultivate the best of the breed to insure healthy rollers just like any other domestic speices.
Jay
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Square
403 posts
Jul 14, 2008
5:39 PM
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Yea wrestler I was finally able to fly my rollers last tuesday... there is a fire in my backyard as well Flooding from the fires... The birds were really outta shape... Chico came up and got about 30 Young birds frome me as well as a few breeders... Then he took the trip sout to Uncle Tom's and picked up a additional 25 or so... to put it short he made out!!!I think he will do good this year... hope to see you sooner bro... keep in touch...
Your raising partner, Square
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Alton Davis
10 posts
Jul 14, 2008
6:23 PM
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I have seen an increase of Falcon attacks on my birds in the past six weeks. Their are now three to four pair that will not allow me to fly at anytime I believe it is due to the fires burning in California but i can't be sertain. What I am sertain about is the locking down my kit bird's in order be able to fly when the coast is clear.
I know I am not the only one out their and this is vastly becoming part of the hobby.
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