TheGame
1 post
Jul 10, 2008
8:31 PM
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Hey guys im new to the game of pigeons. I started building my first loft a couple of weeks ago and am almost finished! Just a couple of newbie questions go easy on me... -_-
1. My loft/box is roughly 4'wide X 8'long X 4.5'tall. How many birds can this hold?
2. Should I split the loft/box into half and make one side to breed and the other side to fly? And if I did do this would a 4'x4'x4' big enough for flyers and how many could it hold?
3. How many nesting boxes could I fit if I did split the loft/box in half? And how many pairs should I keep in there?
I will post some pics as soon as I upload them to my computer (:
Last Edited by on Jul 05, 2009 2:11 PM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1894 posts
Jul 10, 2008
8:42 PM
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Welcome.....Game...............
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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George R.
882 posts
Jul 10, 2008
8:52 PM
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welcome ...got a name....Mr. Game
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cr250
44 posts
Jul 10, 2008
8:52 PM
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welcome to the site Game.
Brian
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CVRC
240 posts
Jul 10, 2008
8:55 PM
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Welcome to the site...
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Cristian Castro
CM Loft
CVR
WWW.COACHELLAVALLEYROLLERS.COM
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Electric-man
1821 posts
Jul 10, 2008
9:05 PM
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Welcome Game! I would build a sepperate kit (flying) box! My breeder pen is about 8Lx7Wx7H and I keep around 6 pr of breeders in it! Gets to crowded and stressful for them if I have anymore than that!
Kit boxes only need to be between 3x3x3 to 4x4x4 to house around 20 birds. My next ones will be 4w x 4w x 3deep! I would build a double myself! You will want to keep your A-team seperate from your trainers!
You can start as small as you want or your budget will allow, but if you stay at it very long, you will never have enough room! LOL
I'm adding all the time!
Go back and do some research and look at other lofts and kitboxes that have been posted to get some ideas!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
Last Edited by on Jul 10, 2008 9:06 PM
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TheGame
2 posts
Jul 10, 2008
9:15 PM
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Thanks everyone for the friendly welcomes!
Is there any other sites I can upload my pics from besides photobucket??
Gave up and decided to use photobucket LOL
I hope the pics aren't too big and I don't get into trouble!
Last Edited by on Jul 10, 2008 9:56 PM
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Alton Davis
7 posts
Jul 10, 2008
10:03 PM
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Welcome game and it looks like you are well on your way.
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Hector Coya
203 posts
Jul 10, 2008
10:08 PM
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Hey GAME,
Are you going to the Show on Saturday?
Should be a good one.
Hector Coya-SGVS
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TheGame
3 posts
Jul 10, 2008
10:15 PM
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Where is the show and what time?? I doubt ill be able to make it to this one because of work.
How often are there shows??
Thanks
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quickspin
747 posts
Jul 10, 2008
10:18 PM
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The loft your making should be good for your breeders. Look up kit cages and see the ones you like. The kit cages should hold around 24 birds no more. 3x3x3 is my favorite.
As for the breeders I like using individual breeding departments to be able to split the pair and change with a new mate in around 1 week. You know 100% who are the parents compare to open loft.
You have the perfect room to make a perfect setup don't rush it.
You will also need some dividers for the cock and for the hens when you are not breeding.
I wish I had your yard.
good luck
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SALAS LOFT
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cr250
49 posts
Jul 10, 2008
10:29 PM
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Hey Game,looks like a nice breeding loft in the making.
Good luck.
Brian
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Santandercol
2734 posts
Jul 10, 2008
10:34 PM
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You're quite the carpenter there Game.Yeah!!I like your lawn too.Ya could size your pics smaller allright.Where 'bouts are you and do you have some birds lined up?
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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TheGame
4 posts
Jul 10, 2008
10:36 PM
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Hmmm anyway I could just split this loft up for breeders and flyers? I spent around $300 on a Milwaukee Drill and Circular Saw and so far have spent close to $400 on the rest of the supplys like wood,nails,siding and etc... and now am very low on money :x
Im very happy I bought my first circular saw and drill. This was a summer project and its coming along great :). I was scared to use the saw at first thinking I was gonna cut my fingers off or something...
*** Im located on Long Island, New York and don't have any Rollers lined up for me yet. I do know a couple of guys in my area that have Tipplers and Flights they said they would give me to start out with...
But I really want Rollers!! :P
Last Edited by on Jul 10, 2008 10:38 PM
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chris_sclarollers
58 posts
Jul 10, 2008
11:07 PM
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Welcome!
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kopetsa
1128 posts
Jul 10, 2008
11:46 PM
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Welcome TheGame!
You have a lot of space there.. You will regret someday not making it larger or even two of them.. lol :) Also you may have some problems with Hawks/Falcons since your heavily treed in...... Good luck! Nice loft!
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Jul 10, 2008 11:46 PM
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washington86
428 posts
Jul 11, 2008
12:04 AM
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Nicely done Game. You should be puttin birds in soon.
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W.Cha
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kopetsa
1133 posts
Jul 11, 2008
12:06 AM
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I love your dog.. :D
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Andrew
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ozrollerman
10 posts
Jul 11, 2008
1:53 AM
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Nice loft mate,wish i could build mine like that..
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TheGame
5 posts
Jul 11, 2008
6:26 AM
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So what do you guys think about splitting this into half? The left side for breeders and the right side for flyers??
Thanks again everyone for the comments. I am glad I signed up for this forum, looks like there are a lot of cool people here!
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rtwilliams
166 posts
Jul 11, 2008
6:58 AM
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Welcome to the site. If yo van keep the guys on task they are a wealth of info.
I would figure a way to split your loft, but not for your fliers, just as a way to seperate your pairs when you do not want them to breed. Seperate your cocks and hens in the winter, or if Hawks and the like (BOP, Birds of Prey) are a problem. You may need to stop breeding or your young will not develop like they need to, because you can't fly, unless you like feeding BOP.
Get your birds and then build a double kit box. The kit box is where you will want to put and fly you fliers out of.
If the guys you are getting your birds from will let you pick them in the air so you do need to fly them to choose your pairing, or if you trust them to help choose your pairs then, you will not need the kit boxes for 6 weeks or so, and can build those when you get a few young birds weaned.
Just my thoughts, Good luck with them and enjoy tour new hobby.
Good job constructing your loft.
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RT Williams
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kopetsa
1136 posts
Jul 11, 2008
10:12 AM
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Just my opinion.. very nice loft, it wouldn't hurt to have two of 'em.. maybe another 4'x4' you could build for the flyers.. I built one 4x4 loft/kit in about a week.. for only about $120.00, shingled and everything.. I think the breeders could even have the 4x8 loft.. good luck! :)
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Andrew
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kopetsa
1137 posts
Jul 11, 2008
10:13 AM
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Maybe even a double kit-box.... (another 4x8)
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2008 10:14 AM
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FRENCHROLL
223 posts
Jul 11, 2008
10:41 AM
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welcome Game
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"Maan pops trippin he want me to ask for my bike back"
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Oldfart
730 posts
Jul 11, 2008
12:56 PM
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Welcome Game, Val is right , go slow it is easier to build right then to rebuild. You can always add on later. Plenty of ventilation, a little sun, clean food, clean water, and grit. Your birds will do well and prosper.
Thom
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TheGame
6 posts
Jul 11, 2008
4:32 PM
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Ok I need some help on roofing now. What do I do and how is it done? Do I just..
1. Lay plywood over my base and nail it down with roofing nails.
2. Then apply the tar paper material over the roof
3. Then apply tar on top of that then place the shingles over it? I bought the shingles that just roll out...
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Electric-man
1824 posts
Jul 11, 2008
4:42 PM
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I have never used tar on top of tar paper, but in your climate, you might need it! I have shingled several houses around here it isn't necassary!
If you do decide to split your loft in two, I would consider an avery or a fly pen on the side so they can stretch out and get some fresh air and sun often! It wouldnt be much in cost and effort, and its a good place to let them take there weekly baths and not get the loft wet!
All this information is gonna cost yu that dog! LOL
I want it!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2008 4:45 PM
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TheGame
7 posts
Jul 11, 2008
5:53 PM
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LOL hahaha no one gets the dog ever!! My mom would kill me if anything happened to her baby >_< !
But electric man everything I wrote above is right and should I just follow that??
And at the bottom where you see the 2 big cut outs I plan on making a lil screened aviary thingy. Its not gonna be very big but will allow the birds to come out and get some fresh air and sunlight :p
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kopetsa
1146 posts
Jul 11, 2008
6:46 PM
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Ask your paps he'll tell you.. I needed help with my first one and then the second was easy.. Oh yeah how old are you? Good luck!
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Andrew
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gotspin7
1449 posts
Jul 11, 2008
7:02 PM
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Welcome to the site GAME, and love that guard dog! LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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TheGame
8 posts
Jul 11, 2008
7:45 PM
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Thanks Gotspin
And Kopetsa im 21. As far as my dad goes for help he never done any kind of construction or building only tools he owns is like maybe 2 philips head screw driver LOL.
Im the only one in the family thats the handyman (well on the way to becoming one :p )
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gabe454
1095 posts
Jul 11, 2008
8:04 PM
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Hey welcome game you might want to resize your pictures your lucky tony hasnt been in here or he will possibly delete them to big.
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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TheGame
9 posts
Jul 11, 2008
8:14 PM
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Hows that Gabe I learned to turn em into a slideshow :)
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PR_rollers
1380 posts
Jul 11, 2008
8:20 PM
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Hey Game Welcome I like that you learn quick .I like that kit box you making looks good..good luck..----------
Ralph
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gabe454
1096 posts
Jul 11, 2008
9:01 PM
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my bad game i like that slide show!
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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TheGame
10 posts
Jul 11, 2008
9:06 PM
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Another question hope you guys don't mind. What is roofing tar exactly called??
I was at home depot today and saw all sorts of other adhesives but had no idea what kinda tar is used for shingles?? One of the employees there did show me a 5 gallon bucket of something but it was like $50-60 eeeek!!
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gabe454
1098 posts
Jul 11, 2008
9:08 PM
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its called mastic game.
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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TheGame
11 posts
Jul 11, 2008
9:48 PM
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Whats the cheapest and easiest way as far as roofing goes? Im having a harder time then I thought trying to figure all of this out...
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cr250
53 posts
Jul 11, 2008
9:58 PM
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Game,just so happens I'am a roofer.You could put shingles or 30# felt with a 90# cap sheet.You can find it at any roofing supply or home depot.You can also use metal roofing panels.
Brian
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TheGame
12 posts
Jul 11, 2008
10:17 PM
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cr250 I actually have 30# felt that I used for the base of my loft and I have plenty left over!!
And earlier today I purchased a roll of cap sheet!! I guess so far im good on supplys.
Im going to borrow a nail gun and nail down the 30# felt to the roof... can you guide me after that??
How do I apply the cap sheet and etc...??
Thanks!
Iv been doing some research myself and see that I could use Bitumen to hold the sheet caps down correct??
The only thing I don't like about this idea is that its freaking $51.97 for a 5 gallon...doubt ill really need that much.
Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2008 10:28 PM
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mkg
29 posts
Jul 11, 2008
10:56 PM
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I like the size of the loft there is so much you can do to it.You can use metal or plastic corrugated sheets they sell them at home depot.
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TheGame
18 posts
Jul 13, 2008
8:14 AM
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Hmm a friend of my let me borrow some roof cement. I tried googling what you said Cr250 but didn't see anything....
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CVRC
256 posts
Jul 13, 2008
10:53 PM
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its all looking very nice game....
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Cristian Castro
CM Loft
CVR
WWW.COACHELLAVALLEYROLLERS.COM
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TheGame
22 posts
Jul 13, 2008
10:54 PM
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Thanks dude! Ill post some pics once I get the roof up!
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TheGame
27 posts
Jul 14, 2008
6:02 PM
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Finished the roof today but not very happy on how it came out... the important thing is that it will hold out water.
Any ideas on how to clean this up to make it look nicer??
I used a staple gun and nailed the felt down then used roofing cement and spread it all over the top then layed my sheet cap over it. I let a lot hang off the front and back so water won't drip into the loft...
Please help! (or should I just leave it as it is?)
Last Edited by on Jul 14, 2008 6:09 PM
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jnyce
132 posts
Jul 14, 2008
6:26 PM
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man that loft look pretty good
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jerry t
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CVRC
260 posts
Jul 14, 2008
6:33 PM
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It all looks very good..
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Cristian Castro
CM Loft
CVR
WWW.COACHELLAVALLEYROLLERS.COM
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cvr(FR3rd)
95 posts
Jul 15, 2008
2:55 PM
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nice
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Fernando Ruelas
CVR
Ruelas loft
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TheGame
31 posts
Jul 15, 2008
2:57 PM
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ehh I think it came out ok... ill have to trim everything down to make it look nicer and neater but im so tired of building :x
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TheGame
34 posts
Jul 15, 2008
8:39 PM
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Anyone Know where I can buy straight steel wires?? I wanna build my own trap but just don't know where to find this.
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