Anthony
2 posts
Jul 16, 2008
8:44 AM
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I am fairly new to the hobby but I have had birds in the past. I am interested in competition. But, I am a little comfused. The family of birds that I have are noted for being fast, deep,good quaility spinners. But the ones that win all the time are shallow and very frequent. And useully good kitting birds. Some judges seem to pentalize the deeper birds as out birds. Because of the amount of time that it takes for them to return to the kit. If a bird rolls 70+ feet it is going to take some time for it to get back. Why do we encourge deep birds with a scoring system. If that is not what is desired.
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Scott
912 posts
Jul 16, 2008
8:52 AM
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There is no such thing as a competition Roller and short rollers do not win flys, that is just what those that can't fly birds use as an excuse not to fly.
As for deeper birds being considered out birds, not true, read the rules, they aren't out unless they are mentaly weak and not kitting,birds that roll out are not considered out birds.
But your so called 70ft birds are probaby lacking the quality to be scored as they are probably fighting the roll to regain control, it is the rare bird that go 70ft and hold it with quality.
Myself I want them as deep as I can get them as long as they have the mental fortidude to hold the quality and kit.
If you truely have fast, deep,good quaility spinners you should smoke in competition, if you don't then you may want to take another look at what you truely have,or take the easy road as some do and use it as an excuse not to fly and just talk about how fast, deep,good quaility spinners you have.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 16, 2008 9:04 AM
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turkey buzzard
42 posts
Jul 16, 2008
9:01 AM
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I believe the way the current system of judging takes place 20 foot birds that return to the kit are the norm. 70 foot birds if they actually go that deep are more suited for the 11 bird fly where the deeper birds are given more points for the depth etc. And yes, deeper birds if under control are given better depth score in a 20 bird fly, but they are more suited for the 11 bird fly.
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Scott
913 posts
Jul 16, 2008
9:07 AM
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Buzzard, how many 70 ft birds do you see that can hold the quailty from start to finish ? I find such birds to be very very rare
And even in the 11 they still have to kit the same as the 20 bird
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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bertie
367 posts
Jul 16, 2008
9:09 AM
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I have a 100' bird that hold a perfect roll all the way down. Doesn't kit after one roll.
Bert
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Scott
914 posts
Jul 16, 2008
9:12 AM
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Bert,that is a bird that is controled by the roll, I prefer birds that have control of the roll.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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COYOTE33
134 posts
Jul 16, 2008
9:13 AM
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Anthony! most guys that fly competition have shorter spinning birds, thats what they breed for because its kit competition and their birds have to perform in that frame work in order to win. This is the argument we roller guys have been discussing over the last year, however there are other roller gents that are developing a 30 point system that will allow deeper birds to compete and for guys who like the deeper spinners and individuals. it just depends on what you like and the type of bird you want to compete with or maybe you want to try both. lets call it comp-s and comp-d. s for short and d for deep.:)
coyote
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bertie
368 posts
Jul 16, 2008
9:23 AM
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Actually Scott that bird and a few others I have I would say is more controlled by gravity. Not flying them anymore but they should make great fosters.
Bert
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JMUrbon
586 posts
Jul 16, 2008
9:37 AM
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Im with Scott on this one. You will be hard pressed to find any serious breeder that is trying to produce short frequent birds. We breed for the deepest that we can get that will still be able to hold it together for an entire fly. A one shot wonder is of no value when they need to work as a team. Now if that deep bird can get back to the kit and break with them every time and still hold the quality together then you have yourself a special bird.
Joe
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Scott
915 posts
Jul 16, 2008
9:40 AM
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Coyote,fly a short working kit in a major fly and see how far you go, not far,work out your 30 point rules and then challange a few comp flyers such as myself,Keith and Abel,we'll be your huckleberry.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 16, 2008 9:42 AM
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Anthony
3 posts
Jul 16, 2008
9:53 AM
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Scott,
I agree that they are rare, but they are out there. I have seen them. I did not say that I had them. But I have the birds now that will produce them. Remember I said I was new. And you are right, a lot of real deep ones do loose a little hear and there in the quaility Dept. I have have had some that look great all the way too the ground..lol Oh well, that's rollers for you. As far as there being competition birds I beleive there is what I consider competition birds. Birds that break and are back together as soon as they broke. Becouse the did not drop all that far. And yes, I have seen these scored and scored high. You are right about the rules, I have a bulletin too. But, these rules are used as a guide line. Some judges inforce differnt rules more harshly or lesser than others. Also different judges have different interpretatin of different rules. You agree.
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COYOTE33
135 posts
Jul 16, 2008
10:00 AM
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Scott! not far Scott! i know your not that bad Scott and don't put others between you and me speak for yourself. i didnt write that to stir your blood but dont challenged me,continentals is not the only thing i have.
coyote
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3757
809 posts
Jul 16, 2008
10:49 AM
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Darryl - I just spoke with Arnold Jackson and he said that he would be happy to judge using the 30 point system to the letter. We have a few other PRC members who want to participate so lets organize it right.
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Scott
917 posts
Jul 16, 2008
12:01 PM
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(Scott and don't put others between you and me speak for yourself. i didnt write that to stir your blood but dont challenged me,continentals is not the only thing i have.
coyote )
Speak for myself , what are you talking about ?
What about any of my posts makes you think that this stuff stirs my blood ?
As for "don't" challenge you, I'm your Hucckleberry !
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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nicksiders
2952 posts
Jul 16, 2008
1:21 PM
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A competition roller is a high value roller. The high value roller is normally a Birmingham Roller.
Thats it; question answered. The only thing different about it is that it is a high value roller. It meets all the definitions and standards of high quality.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Scott
919 posts
Jul 16, 2008
2:26 PM
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Now that's the spirit Coyote !!!
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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George R.
891 posts
Jul 16, 2008
2:36 PM
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I wonder if Arnold would travel to Las Vegas if i paid for it and let The Novice Fly in this Big event???
Also theres no such thing as a competition roller.. only defference in rollers is Breeders who put there Birds up for the world to see and people that talk a good game..
"fast is fine but accurate is final"
Wyatt Earp (RIP)
The Novice
George
Last Edited by on Jul 16, 2008 2:49 PM
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gotspin7
1477 posts
Jul 16, 2008
6:58 PM
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I agree with Joe Urbon..
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