J_Star
1663 posts
Jul 16, 2008
12:50 PM
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I was told on several occasion that is it very unusual to get bald head Red rollers. Is there any truth to that! If you have pictures for Bald Head Reds please post them. Thanks.
Jay
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bertie
373 posts
Jul 16, 2008
12:52 PM
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Their not harder than any other color. If you have bald reds you get bald red babies. Red is a dominant color so if you have them you will get more.I don't have any baldies myself. I'm sure someone will.
Bert
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J_Star
1664 posts
Jul 16, 2008
1:25 PM
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Is that the only way to get them is to mate bald head Reds together if you can get them? All of you guys feedback is appreciated.
Jay
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bertie
375 posts
Jul 16, 2008
1:38 PM
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If you breed a red baldie to any color of baldie most likely you will end up with mostly reds carrying what ever it is you breed it too.
Bert
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kopetsa
1179 posts
Jul 16, 2008
2:30 PM
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If you have a baldy and breed it with a red bird.. than you have a high chance of getting a red baldy back out of it. No matter there has to be some baldy in there and some red.. lol
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Andrew
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bertie
376 posts
Jul 16, 2008
2:33 PM
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I found when I had rollers years ago if you cross a baldy with a regular roller you will get odd markings. Not like perfect baldy that you would want. That's why I said baldy to baldy works best. But you do have a chance of getting a one form a regular and baldy.
Bert
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ArlenS
90 posts
Jul 16, 2008
3:35 PM
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Hi Jay,
On a side note, thanks for your excellent information recently on nutrition. Some may not realize that you have a great article on this in the reading room also. I also agree with you that the protein content on wheat is overated by many. My father was and my father-in-law is a wheat farmer. Moyers grain website is wrong and they have agreed but have never changed their info on this (I think they claim 17 or 18%. My belief is that hard red wheat may range from 11-14% tops. What I buy in Colorado has been tested last year at 14%, but that may change due to various factors. Probably most feed wheat is around 12%.
I have a couple of recessive red baldheads. The parents are each heterozygous pied (white flights), each carrying recessive red (heterozygous). The cock is a bearded blue T-check bronze. The hen is a black (spread blue). A baldhead is probably homozygous (both genes) pied per Hollander. If you were to breed two recessive red pieds (i.e. with white flights) together, you should have a 25% chance for each offspring to be baldhead recessive red, because the offspring could be either:
1) recessive red heterozygous pied (50% probability)
2) recessive red self (25%)
3) recessive red homozygous pied (25%)
The reason some may think they are rare is there needs to be red present plus homozygous pied in the offspring which means each parent must be pied. If the red is to be recessive, thats another homozygous factor necessarily present at the same time. Also a red T-check or check could be a baldhead if each parent was pied. That should be even more common.
Sorry I have no pictures yet. I need to figure that out and report back.
Last Edited by on Jul 16, 2008 3:38 PM
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CVRC
282 posts
Jul 16, 2008
4:09 PM
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yeah that would be a very interesting color to see...
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CM Loft
CVR
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Flying W
31 posts
Jul 16, 2008
5:07 PM
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Is this what you were looking for ?
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Ty Coleman
466 posts
Jul 16, 2008
5:41 PM
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This is the closest thing i have to it. It could be easily done with this bird.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Jul 16, 2008 5:42 PM
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sippi
388 posts
Jul 16, 2008
6:08 PM
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Any bird that is beard or badge is carrying pied. This is one I got out of a red mottle whiteside and a blue check badge.
Sippi
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gotspin7
1475 posts
Jul 16, 2008
6:43 PM
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Nice bird flying W.
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Sal Ortiz
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J_Star
1665 posts
Jul 17, 2008
5:09 AM
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Do we all agree that baldhead reds are not as common in lofts as the other baldheads! I would just like to validate what I was told by many.
Thanks ArlinS for your complement and explanation and thanks everyone for your information and pictures. BTW, those are beautiful pictures.
I also agree the protein content of Wheat is overstated. Here in Ohio, the bag say 10% for the Ohio grown yellow Wheat which I believe it is even lower. Wheat is a good basic feed but if used too much, day in and day out, the fancier will be giving up a good portion of control over them when it comes to flight. Been there done that and learned from my mistakes.
Jay
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bertie
379 posts
Jul 17, 2008
6:06 AM
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Maybe if you put a white bird with one of these it would give you a red baldy.
I really don't think they are more rare than any other color of baldy.
Bert
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sippi
391 posts
Jul 17, 2008
7:40 AM
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I do believe you are correct in saying red bald heads are more rare. It probably has something to do with reccessive red dominating red birds. I only have the one pictured most of mine come in black or blue check. I rarely get a true bald head in any color though. Most are actually badge because of some color in the white.
sippi
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ICEMAN710
424 posts
Jul 18, 2008
4:07 AM
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real nice bird flying w, ive got a red check with the same body type and expression. how is it in the air?
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Gary
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Flying W
32 posts
Jul 18, 2008
6:43 AM
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She is part of the breeding stock I originally acquired so I have never flown her. All her young are nice,tight spinners though.
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Square
535 posts
Oct 22, 2008
11:57 AM
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I used to have a few red balds, however over the years I lost that color, they were alot larger and somehow in my breeding program I lost them.. However I have had a couple come out. And my raising partner wrestler has breed a few. The ones I have now are not really true balds mostly badge marked. I hope in the future they appear more bald, But the size of thease red birds are way smaller then the ones I origanally had. Square.
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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ArlenS
117 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:05 PM
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Sippi,
Perhaps you are right about RR interfering with baldhead (or visa versa). When I have had birds like yours that show distinct individual wingshield feathers - not a smooth RR pattern, and not a red T-check - they later molted in white mottling on the wing shields. Just wondering if that could be a predictor?
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ArlenS
118 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:48 PM
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Note: I see I accidentally mis-spelled Frank Mosca's last name incorrectly above.
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jnyce
330 posts
Oct 22, 2008
1:41 PM
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these are two of my red and white baldeys
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jerry t
Last Edited by on Oct 22, 2008 1:41 PM
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rollernewbie
130 posts
Oct 22, 2008
4:23 PM
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great looking baldies guys...
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RollerNewbie
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Canspinners
208 posts
Oct 22, 2008
7:00 PM
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Nice To see The pics I love The reds
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jnyce
331 posts
Oct 23, 2008
2:59 PM
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jerry t
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jnyce
333 posts
Oct 24, 2008
8:56 AM
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What color would u call the hen is she a saddle back
jerry t
Last Edited by on Oct 24, 2008 8:59 AM
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rollernewbie
137 posts
Oct 24, 2008
9:52 AM
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i would say a blk saddle...?
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RollerNewbie
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jnyce
335 posts
Oct 24, 2008
8:32 PM
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can anyone else help me out
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jerry t
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