KiddenAround
4 posts
Jul 18, 2008
7:13 AM
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This kit is young, been flying almost 2 weeks now, and for the last 2 or 3 days, one bird lands in a tree nearby instead of the shed where they trap in. Is it time to (moderated) him, or is this baby behavior that will cure itself? (Of course I'm worried about the others being influenced by him.)
Last Edited by on Jul 18, 2008 9:11 AM
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Santandercol
2775 posts
Jul 18, 2008
7:21 AM
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Welcome to RPDC Ms. Kidder.Make sure you're not overfeeding them.If there is food left on the tray after they have stopped eating they are overfed.YBs do stupid things.Give that bird a chance yet,but try to scare it out of the tree with whatever means you have.I use a 20ft piece of PVC pipe with a plastic garbage bag attached to the end.You'll look crazy swinging that around but it works!!
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Kel.
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maxspin
247 posts
Jul 18, 2008
8:06 AM
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I give them three strikes then they are out. If the bird sits in the tree it misses a meal. That will straighten them out if it is a feed issue.
I will crate them up and force them to fly just to get back to the kit box. A few will start to kit up and stay up.
I get some where they just quit flying as they are coming into the roll. These birds never seem to get over it and will pull other birds down with them.
I have some that will hide in the trees rather than take a chance with the falcons. I HATE this, as it is hard to blame the birds, they still have to go because they will pull other birds down with them.
The trees that I have to deal with are too tall to flag them out of so I do what I can, but three strikes and they are out!!!
Keith
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J_Star
1667 posts
Jul 18, 2008
8:16 AM
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A bird that hides in the tree from a falcon is a bird you get to fly another day (lol).
Your bird is getting too tired while flying with the rest of the group and lands on the tree. It is possible due to the heat and possible humidity. Feed him up separately with heavy protein feed. Or you can spike the kit water with some vitamins and minerals substance such as Red Cell, Top Plus for a short period of time until strength start to show. But eventually he will out grow it without causing any harm to his team mates.
Jay
Last Edited by on Jul 18, 2008 8:21 AM
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maxspin
248 posts
Jul 18, 2008
8:20 AM
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Jay,
I get some that will not fly anymore. They just go straight to the tree and sit.
No strike on a day that the falcon actually hits the kit. I agree with you 100%
good to clarify.
Keith
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2754 posts
Aug 27, 2009
1:34 AM
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Time to cull......?!!!!!!
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Pumpkin Man
148 posts
Aug 29, 2009
5:45 PM
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The only tree sitters I ever have are young birds and it's in the the first couple weeks. Here's what I do. The first day or two I don't harass any of the young birds in training. Think about it they are a little scared the first couple days of flying and easily spooked. The only harassing I would do is if they landed on a neighbors house. Now let's say they didn't come in the first night. Put your training cage back on the kit box and put birds in it for a couple hours sometimes that's enough to bait them in. If they are tree sitters that have trapped in a couple times and know where home in and just being stubborn. I would throw something at them to make them fly out of the tree. Usually it only takes a time or two. If you've tried that and they still do it the only excuse for it in my opinion would be if they crashed into a tree and were sitting in it to regain their composure. If they have bene flying 3 weeks or more there is just no excuse for it at all.
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RodSD
339 posts
Aug 29, 2009
11:44 PM
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If my birds do that usually when they get so scared of something. If they are too young they might do that as well. You probably have to control the bird through feeding methods. That way it wont become a bad habit.
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Velo99
2153 posts
Aug 30, 2009
7:35 AM
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I have a fwew that will hit the tree. Usually squeakers just trying to fly,get scared up with the older birds and its the first place they see to roost. They usually sit for five-ten minutes and then come back down to the loft.
Long term sitters find themselves living in a dumpster.
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JMUrbon
741 posts
Aug 30, 2009
6:23 PM
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Watch your young birds eat. You may find that the younger birds will tend to eat the milo rather than the other grains due to the stronger birds getting the better grains. That is why it is best to keep the young near the same age together. I know that is not always posible but if not than watch the young eat and supplement them if needed. Good luck. Joe
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3339 posts
Aug 30, 2009
6:29 PM
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That's true Joe even when they the same age you still have some that eat the little grain only .so like you said watch your birds because those are the one I pick up and feel and if they feel light I give them extra alone.
p.s. a bird that is in training the first week I give breaks to usually they bank one time because they studing thing checking me out the area they afraid now after two weeks of kitting and you bank on a tree and not on your kitbox they get train with another team still doing it ..then you don't trust me then you get to meet what I call the 13,,,12 jury and judge.. guilty as charge...
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
Last Edited by on Aug 31, 2009 5:14 PM
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JMUrbon
742 posts
Aug 30, 2009
7:54 PM
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I absolutely wont stand for a tree setter. As a young bird if they land in a tree the first time up I am not so worried. The second time and they are on notice. I will cull a young bird really quick and some would say to quick for landing in a tree. I have said this for many years that rollers are creatures of habit. the good habbits are what we look for. the bad ones we have to deal with. the last thing a guy needs is to have that bird start another bird or two into landing in the tree's. Joe
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J_Star
2129 posts
Aug 31, 2009
5:47 AM
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I tend to hold my youngsters a bit longer than normal before I let them out on their first day for flight. Lots of these problems are avoided because the birds are a bit strong on the wing. I practice this method to avoid birds snatched by the howks on their few early days of flight.
Jay
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ezeedad
1042 posts
Aug 31, 2009
10:12 AM
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I think it's time to stop flying the bird. Young birds form habits so quickly and influence others... 2 or 3 days is probably too much time alreday...
You have to get it off the tree as soon as it lands there, if possible, before it gets used to going there. I see that it was a month and a half ago.. What happened?
Paul G
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katyroller
523 posts
Aug 31, 2009
10:26 AM
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I will not tolerate a bird landing on power lines or in trees. Around here if they do either for some strange reason they fall off of the power line or out of the tree, I can't figure out why!
Tracey
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J_Star
2131 posts
Aug 31, 2009
11:46 AM
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In my old residence, some of the birds used land on the power line which was situated next to the loft. I used mind that and bothered me. Then one day I notice that it was a blessing since they act the lookout solders for hawks protecting the remaining birds on the top of kit box before trapping. It is all about interpretation…
Jay
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