nicksiders
2976 posts
Jul 20, 2008
10:30 AM
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How often have you seen the intermixing of mated pairs?
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Steve_uk
797 posts
Jul 20, 2008
10:55 AM
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i've seen it and i think if people spent a lot of time in there lofts they'd see it a lot i try to have big enough boxes so they dont do there bangin on the floor.
Steve0...
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glenn
136 posts
Jul 20, 2008
10:56 AM
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In my world it is called a Claim Jump...to cut down on problems make sure the next boxes are big enough to mate in & dont over crowd the loft.
Glenn
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bertie
400 posts
Jul 20, 2008
10:59 AM
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If you use a open loft you never know who the parents will be. Well you know the hen for sure but the cocks will jump any hen they can.
Bert
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CVRC
322 posts
Jul 20, 2008
11:48 AM
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what i do is lock them up until they mate and that way i know for sure.....if u have the same family then u shouldn't be worried...
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Cristian Castro
CM Loft
CVR
WWW.COACHELLAVALLEYROLLERS.COM
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bertie
401 posts
Jul 20, 2008
2:42 PM
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After the eggs hatch within a week or so the hen will be ready again and the other cocks will be in her nest fighting the cock for her.Could harm the young squeaks. While she is out eating and the cock is on eggs the other cocks will jump her too.
If you don't really care to know for SURE who the father is breed open loft but you never will know for sure.
Bert
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gabe454
1128 posts
Jul 20, 2008
2:57 PM
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that always happens in open loft breeding not the way to go unless is the same family of birds.
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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TheGame
45 posts
Jul 20, 2008
3:07 PM
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What are the good things about open loft breeding??
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gotspin7
1498 posts
Jul 20, 2008
3:09 PM
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I am with Glenn on this one. I also have big nest boxes and it seems to work they tend to top in the nest box instead of the floor.
The Game, they are healthier.
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Sal Ortiz
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CSRA
1566 posts
Jul 20, 2008
3:59 PM
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Sal i am with you too lol
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RXR Loft
238 posts
Jul 20, 2008
4:18 PM
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I breed in an open loft, I agree with Glen.
No over crowding, and a big box is always nice
RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
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Santandercol
2785 posts
Jul 20, 2008
4:28 PM
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Open loft you can cafeteria style feed 'em and not have to feed everyday 'N change water bottles.
Nick,
Not often.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
Last Edited by on Jul 20, 2008 4:29 PM
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spanky
530 posts
Jul 20, 2008
4:35 PM
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FOR ME THE ONLY WAY TO GO IS INDIVIDUALS THATS THE ONLY WAY YOU KNOW THAT THE BABYS BELONG TO THAT PAIR.
SPANKY
SGVS
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CVRC
332 posts
Jul 20, 2008
4:49 PM
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everyone has there likes an dislikes.....
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Cristian Castro
CM Loft
CVR
WWW.COACHELLAVALLEYROLLERS.COM
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rockx.559
94 posts
Jul 20, 2008
5:15 PM
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open loft breeding is way easier than individual breeding because every pigeons gets the same food at the same time and water and you only have to worry about one place of the area ...like no other loft of kit box around....but then if your really into what your working on with your rollers...then individual is best and more establish for your rollers.
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bigwilly
616 posts
Jul 20, 2008
6:28 PM
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I agree with Spanky. However I breed open and individual.
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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bertie
402 posts
Jul 20, 2008
6:53 PM
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As far as I see it, it really doesn't have anything to do with likes and dislikes!
If you want to be 100% sure of who your birds parents are individual breeding cages is the only way.
If you don't care who is who then open loft. But when you get that uncontrolled roller or that champion roller you can only wonder who the dad was that caused that bird.
Bert
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3757
812 posts
Jul 20, 2008
7:08 PM
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Bert - Well said!
Spanky - Keep up the great work!
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elopez
1602 posts
Jul 21, 2008
2:04 AM
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Had open loft and it was easier to feed the breeders but a bit messy. I had my breeding compartments on the large side and I would lock them in while they were breeding so I think for the most part they young were from the correct breedings. Changed to individuals and now I'm 100% and have them on automatic water and only have to feed them twice a week. Loft's a lot cleaner so I'm loving it.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
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sippi
407 posts
Jul 21, 2008
12:15 PM
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I always think of it like this if you breed open loft. "Mama's baby, Daddy's maybe?"
I breed single mating except with my tightly bred Oriental families and Galati's.
All my Birms I breed in single mating pens. That way I am sure of my records.
sippi
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elopez
1604 posts
Jul 21, 2008
12:26 PM
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It's funny, when I was breeding open loft, I was almost certain on the offspring as there was no weird colors out of the matings. Now that I breed individual, I'm seeing colors out of matings that would have had me questioning the father. Good thing I switched.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
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quickspin
770 posts
Jul 21, 2008
12:31 PM
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The same with me Efren. I got a couple differen colors this year that I had not got before and I breed in individual loft. I would of thought it was from some one else in a open loft.
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SALAS LOFT
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diamondrollers
288 posts
Jul 21, 2008
12:34 PM
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i breed out of 12 individual boxes and a colony my main birds are always bred in individuals
sal
Last Edited by on Jul 21, 2008 12:39 PM
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Shaun
698 posts
Jul 21, 2008
12:52 PM
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I breed open loft and I'm sticking with it. I've sat many times in there watching what goes on, and whilst the cocks will try it on with any hen, what I see is the hens either showing no interest, or chasing away the cocks, or wing-slapping from the more aggressive hens. I've seen no squatting for the wrong cock in the loft. Of course, I'm not there all the time to police what goes on, but I've seen enough to live with the slight risk of a wrong mating.
Shaun
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Steve_uk
798 posts
Jul 21, 2008
1:06 PM
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Shaun its not the hen goin with another cock its when the pr are gettin jiggy and all the cocks try to get in on the action and 1 sneaky bugger jumps on in the confusion.
Steve0...
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birdman
622 posts
Jul 21, 2008
1:07 PM
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I have 12 individual boxes and 12 open loft boxes. I use the open loft side primarily for fosters.
After the individuals are down on eggs I will allow them to freeloft if they are all from the same family.
I've seen illegitimate matings more times than I can count. It's really frustrating too, especially when you get an obvious illegitimate bids and it turns out to be a good one but you're not 100% sure of the father.
Nick, I'm certain that if you study your pedigrees from a certain side of your family you will easily spot the illegitimate birds.
Russ
Last Edited by on Jul 21, 2008 1:22 PM
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Shaun
699 posts
Jul 21, 2008
1:15 PM
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Steve, my hens are as pure as the driven snow. You have Mason birds also and if your hens don't have a quick look over their wingbuts to see which cock is doing the deed, then your loft has sustained a decline in morals.
Actually, the only jump mating I've observed was with my Dave Moselely birds. The hens are more slutty.
Shaun
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sippi
408 posts
Jul 21, 2008
2:13 PM
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I had one cock that would sneak in behind a mating pair and jump the hen before she knew what was happening. He is the one that convinced me to go to single mating pens. He was as slick as they come.
sippi
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3757
814 posts
Jul 21, 2008
4:23 PM
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Efren - That is great! I did not know you switched. There are a couple of stats on open breeding with wrens and other birds and the statistics are very high of illigetimacy in an open loft. If the open lofts are constructed correctly health also is not an issue as some claim. Actually it is much better but the individual pens have to have enough room depending on the type of pigeon you have in them (Example a homer would need a bigger individual than a roller).
Last Edited by on Jul 21, 2008 4:25 PM
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mcroller
167 posts
Jul 21, 2008
4:59 PM
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open loft for me
jimmi
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elopez
1605 posts
Jul 21, 2008
7:14 PM
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LaRon,
Check out my individuals:
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
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3757
815 posts
Jul 21, 2008
7:38 PM
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Nice Efren! Absolutely awesome!
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Electric-man
1862 posts
Jul 21, 2008
8:11 PM
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Good to hear from you Dr. Laron! Hope your feeling well these days!
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Val
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jnyce
168 posts
Jul 21, 2008
8:24 PM
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SO WERE DO U KEEP THEM IN THE BASEMENT OR GARAGE
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jerry t
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3757
816 posts
Jul 21, 2008
9:24 PM
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Val - Send me an e-mail if you can.
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George R.
904 posts
Jul 21, 2008
9:33 PM
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I breed open loft after they lay the first round... I dont worry to much about who the father is becuase the Bird still has to prove himself in the AIR.
Also I dont feel it is very humane to keep a pair of pigeons locked in a small Individual cage just so I can be sure of the parents .
In some citys there are animal control laws that specificly outlaw the keeping of birds in small cages.
But like I always say its up to the owner .. Thats why we live in America we get a CHOICE...
The Novice
George
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Electric-man
1863 posts
Jul 21, 2008
9:51 PM
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You'll have to help me with your e-mail address Mr Doucet. I'm not at work where I have everybody on file!
Mine here at home is vrreneau@suddenlink.net
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Val
Last Edited by on Jul 21, 2008 9:53 PM
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Shaun
700 posts
Jul 22, 2008
5:11 AM
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George, I'm with you there. I also don't like to see birds confined for long periods. There's something quite enjoyable about seeing pairs of birds flying up to their nestboxes with bits of straw and feather, then getting on the floor to rut with their mate. I'll go along with the 11% average illegitimacy statistic, which I read somewhere, on the basis that my family is tightly bred, so I'm not too worried about jump matings. I feel the breeders have a much better life with the freedom of a loft to fly around in.
Right now, because it's hot and sunny here, I've put a bath out for all the breeders, which they took to like...er, pigeons to water. They're now all sunbathing in the aviary part, and as I watched them, they said to me... and this is no word of a lie... "Thanks mate for this great life and for not cooping us up in those little prisons." I said the good life would continue on condition they didn't try to hump all the hens. They said they would try very hard not to.
Shaun
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