Anthony
7 posts
Jul 24, 2008
11:49 AM
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I know I should'nt ask this. I have heard Cross-Bred mentioned in a post. In a line a birds that one of these crosses was made. How long will they have to be bred to not be considered cross-breeds? Just curious.
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sundance
672 posts
Jul 24, 2008
1:23 PM
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oh,.... it shouldnt take long, like maybe i dont know,.. how many years did you say you were willing to put into it?
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SSLOFTS
78 posts
Jul 24, 2008
3:35 PM
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I know in Germany when they crossbreed into their show oriental rollers for color they say it takes 5-7 years to get the birds back to the standard.Then they have a 3-5 year assessment period of the birds being shown before the color is excepted into the standard.That's just for color and has nothing to do with performance!!!Myself I wouldn't do it to a performance breed,like a flying oriental or a Birm.But whoever pays the feed bill makes the decisions.As long as they don't lie about it,nobody gets hurt,you can just choose not to use their stock in your breeding program.
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JMUrbon
598 posts
Jul 24, 2008
5:00 PM
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I cant for the life of it figure out why you would post this thread. With all of the other threads that have been hashed out on this subject that only conclusion I can come up with is to bring out another argument. Joe
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Oldfart
755 posts
Jul 24, 2008
5:32 PM
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I think Joe is absolutly right! If you are serious, NEVER!
Thom
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sippi
412 posts
Jul 24, 2008
6:08 PM
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Seven generations is considered genetically pure. That is 1/128 of whatever the cross is. Ten years to introduce a color and bring it back to proper roll.
sippi
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Scott
968 posts
Jul 24, 2008
10:46 PM
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Sheez, I have a hard time breeding good birds with the whole package without a mutt cross , and now we have some that think that you can do the ultimate down breed and have them the same in ten years or less,good luck.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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gotspin7
1545 posts
Jul 25, 2008
4:05 AM
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It never ends. LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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Anthony
8 posts
Jul 25, 2008
10:46 AM
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Hey, I am new to rollers and this site. Thanks to all that gave me a sensible answer.
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Scott
978 posts
Jul 25, 2008
4:48 PM
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Sippi, let me stab at this another way, in ten years you probably could get a bird that rolls properly, and it may even have the mental fortitude to handle the roll, but it would be a genetic cess pool that would probably hit all over the board and that a line couldn't be established out of unless you paid no attention to color and kept breeding it back to a first class Birmingham, but then you would probably back to square one.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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sippi
415 posts
Jul 25, 2008
5:38 PM
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Not something I would even attempt. Just the man asked a legit question and I gave him a legit answer. I dont reccomend it to anyone that doesnt have the knowledge, time and patience but it can be done.
sippi
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Scott
981 posts
Jul 25, 2008
5:40 PM
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Who has done it ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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sippi
416 posts
Jul 25, 2008
5:56 PM
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Who has done it? There are several colors that were added by someone. Andalusion is one that comes to mind. Indigo is another. My "cesspool" has lots of factors in them. I havent a clue as to what all they are. Aint going to debate it with you tonight either. We will just have to agree to disagree.
sippi
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sippi
417 posts
Jul 25, 2008
6:32 PM
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I have five families of Orientals, one Fireball family, Galati's, Parlor rollers, and Turner Birms. All are only as pure as the last man that had them kept them. I maintain them pure here at my place. Do I have a pure Birm family, no I dont. I have had but happen to like the Carolina birds speed and frequency.
sippi
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Scott
984 posts
Jul 25, 2008
6:47 PM
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How long have you had the Turners ? BTW not all Carolina birds are crossed, what was used to try and put the crosses back together?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 25, 2008 6:51 PM
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sippi
418 posts
Jul 25, 2008
8:01 PM
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I have had them since 06. Pensoms were used to put the roll back. I will be seeing James in a month or so and will talk at length about some of his birds.
sippi
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Scott
992 posts
Jul 25, 2008
8:05 PM
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Good deal ! did you get pure Turners or crossed on other families ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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sippi
419 posts
Jul 25, 2008
8:11 PM
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Mine are pure Turners. When I see James I am going to try to bring back some 007 birds. I lost my best pair to a freak accident today.
sippi
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sippi
420 posts
Jul 25, 2008
8:13 PM
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What has impressed me the most with these birds is the work rate. They will break 40 times in twenty minutes on any given day sometimes more. Now if I can get a whole kit of twenty and thirty footers I will be ready.
Sippi
Last Edited by on Jul 25, 2008 8:14 PM
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Scott
995 posts
Jul 26, 2008
8:15 AM
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Good deal Sippi !
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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