az-je
3 posts
Jul 28, 2008
11:44 AM
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Any suggestions or ideas for a kit of birds that start out rolling for the 1st 10 minutes, then go totally flat and just fly in circles?
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155
690 posts
Jul 28, 2008
11:55 AM
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it all on the feed maybe there are to strong
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EVILLOFT'S
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PR_rollers
1434 posts
Jul 28, 2008
1:19 PM
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How long have you been flying the team..every day, every other day,what you feeding them give some more info.
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Ralph
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az-je
4 posts
Jul 28, 2008
1:52 PM
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All cock-bird kit are now flying every 3rd day. They are approx 1 year old. Feeding a 40/60 mix of red wheat and milo. Hot here and they are moulting also.
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PR_rollers
1435 posts
Jul 28, 2008
2:11 PM
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thats your answer they are moulting .they not control
by the roll ,they controlling the roll. Is a good way and time to see your birds controlling them self holding back maybe thats the reason.. rest them birds more because they can easily roll down on you by accident because of the moult.help them get through the moult plenty of oil seeds safflower..rest good mix..----------
Ralph
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az-je
6 posts
Jul 28, 2008
3:24 PM
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For sure, they will get good food, rest. This kit doesn't seem to have a "lead" bird to trigger them to roll. Maybe they just more time...a year old is still kind of young.
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gotspin7
1600 posts
Jul 28, 2008
9:03 PM
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az-je, how long is your kit flying?
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Sal Ortiz
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PR_rollers
1439 posts
Jul 28, 2008
9:07 PM
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Good question Sal ..they should be rolling already within the year than again depends on what family you flying.some start late some start early.
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Ralph
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J_Star
1679 posts
Jul 29, 2008
5:21 AM
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If you expect the birds to perform from the minute you open the kitbox to the time they trap, then you’re kidding yourself. Why do you think people prep their kits for a fly if their birds perform all the times in the air!
If you stop flying your birds every day and regulate their feed they might perform for 30 min for you nicely. Good luck with them.
Jay
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nicksiders
3025 posts
Jul 29, 2008
8:45 AM
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I think Rich Hayes' kit did. I was not there, but I was at Aubrey Thibodeaux and they came out spinning and then did it more than 36 times in 20 minutes.
I got my eyes opened at the Thibodeaux place. I think you can get 40 scorable breaks in 20 minutes with them pretty constant throughout the 20 minutes. I have changed the way that I look at things in the roller world after seeing what Thibodeax put up.
It is a combination of stock and management.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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J_Star
1683 posts
Jul 29, 2008
9:00 AM
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Yes you can Nick but can you get it day in and day out!
Jay
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Santandercol
2842 posts
Jul 29, 2008
9:23 AM
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Sounds like you're going too heavy on the milo.Try 90/10 wheat/milo after the moult.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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az-je
8 posts
Jul 29, 2008
10:33 AM
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to: J-Star....this kit is only flying twice a week, 3 times at the most.
twice a week this kit gets an 18% mix with all of the "good stuff" safflower, peas, etc
they have been flying together since they were 6 weeks old. they do roll a lot in the 1st half of the fly time, however, they are short and fast rollers. a real tight kit. then they just go flat and fly circles until landing. i'm not unhappy with this kit or the way they perform at all. just curious about what makes them go flat like that.
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2008 10:36 AM
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155
691 posts
Jul 29, 2008
11:10 AM
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azje were you from? you sound like one of my friend out
here he got the same issue you have...................
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EVILLOFT'S
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J_Star
1687 posts
Jul 29, 2008
11:10 AM
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Nice to know more details…it helps. Cut down on the 18% feed and substitute Wheat and Milo. Give more Milo, if you wish, to slow their wing beat down to set up for breaks. After a while when you notice their performance deteriorate such as their spin speed then give them 18% for couple of days and start over again. You will see a tremendous change in their performance. Give it a try.
Jay
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Santandercol
2849 posts
Jul 29, 2008
11:11 AM
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Too much rich mix IMO.Once every 3rd fly is all my mature kitbirds get a rich mix,other than when they are moulting.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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az-je
9 posts
Jul 29, 2008
1:30 PM
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hey guys, thanks for the opinions and info.
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PR_rollers
1451 posts
Jul 29, 2008
5:11 PM
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Until those birds finish moulting don't expect anything out of them..remember they are in pain too..wait until after the moult and then get into a program..but help them get through that moult ---
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Ralph
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Santandercol
2860 posts
Jul 29, 2008
11:38 PM
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Epsom salts bath is better.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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